Home |  Forums |  Search |  My Profile |  Chat  Photo Gallery |  Events Calendar |  Technical Documents  No messages |  New Posts |  Watched Topics |  Register   lets replace those crappy whirring locks!          Forum Index -> Interior Modifications Latest ratings Highest-ranked posts Highest-ranked topics Highest-ranked posters   Ryan0001 Fordmods - Getting Side Ways Age:21 Posts: 743 Joined: 20 Nov 2004 Location: Melbourne VIC, Australia View User Gallery (0) Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2004 4:56 pm    Post subject: lets replace those crappy whirring locks! gday can you replace the whirring standard actuators any different ones without smartlock cracking the s**t? jaycar electronics sell a 4 door power locking kit for $39.95 do ya reckon it will be right if i replace all 4 crap actuators with new different ones from the kit? thanks ryan Back to top Rapier Fordmods - Getting Side Ways Age:23 Posts: 3769 Joined: 05 Nov 2004 Location: Hobart TAS, Australia View User Gallery (33) Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2004 5:03 pm    Post subject: afaik it cant be done, i mean u could replace the actuators i guess, then u would have to have a seperate system to open the doors, which will prob caus smartlock to have a spasm Back to top LSD Fordmods - Getting Side Ways Age:26 Posts: 493 Joined: 08 Nov 2004 Location: Northam WA, Australia View User Gallery (2) Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2004 5:27 pm    Post subject: I can't see a reason for it not to work myself, a central locking actuator doesn't seem that complicated a piece of kit to me. I mean, it's pretty much just a solenoid that can be made to lock/unlock the doors on command. So-called "master" actuators are only slightly more complicated in that they have to signal the main controller (in this case, the Body Electronics Module) to lock all the other doors. The controller is where all the real magic is and so long as the replacement actuators physically fit where the old ones did (this would be the kicker I think) and are compatible with the signals (which is highly likely, I can't see a reason for needing anything more than simple logic controls in this situation) in the existing system then it should all go together just fine. Back to top TS50EB Fordmods - Getting Side Ways Age:40 Posts: 445 Joined: 06 Nov 2004 Location: Belconnen, Canberra ACT, Australia View User Gallery (3) Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2004 5:55 pm    Post subject: Ok, I can help here because I wanted to use my EB actuators with the AU setup in my EB, but AU and E-series work differently. E series actuators have 3 wires operating them. 1.power supply 2.up (switched closed in the BEM) 3.down (switched closed in the BEM) -the up and down wires close the cct to make the actuator move in the direction required. The actuators available from Rhino, Jaycar, etc work like AU actuators. There are two wires, the direction of the current dictates with way the actuator moves, up or down, (the direction of current flow is switched). You can get around this by putting relays in (contact Fuzion, he may be able to throw some light on how to do this). I hope this makes sense. Back to top Ryan0001 Fordmods - Getting Side Ways Age:21 Posts: 743 Joined: 20 Nov 2004 Location: Melbourne VIC, Australia View User Gallery (0) Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2004 6:37 pm    Post subject: thanks fellas, ill have a look around and if it all works ill bang up a few pics to show yas ryan Back to top ndroo Fordmods - Smokin em up Age:22 Posts: 204 Joined: 06 Nov 2004 Location: Kurri Kurri NSW, Australia View User Gallery (2) Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2004 10:00 pm    Post subject: OI...why not just use AU actulators??? They should be easy enough to install i think...and they dont go ZZZzzzZZZ when you lock ur doors. Then again the ZZZZzzzZZZ noise does sound pretty "LOCK THE GATES KEEP THE ENEMY OUT" ish....everyone knows ur car is locked lol Back to top TS50EB Fordmods - Getting Side Ways Age:40 Posts: 445 Joined: 06 Nov 2004 Location: Belconnen, Canberra ACT, Australia View User Gallery (3) Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2004 8:39 am    Post subject: You could use AU ones, they are incorporated in the door latch, and are operated from the interior door handle by cable, not a rod. So you would have to look at putting the whole AU door latch in. This requires drilling new holes in the door, as the 3 bolts that hold it in place are in different locations. You would need to either find some way of hooking the cable to the E-series door handle, or the E-series rod to the AU latch. Quite possible, just wiring to sort out after the latch is in. Back to top Macca Fordmods - Getting Side Ways Age:36 Posts: 3247 Joined: 05 Nov 2004 Location: Singleton NSW, Australia View User Gallery (15) Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2004 8:43 am    Post subject: TS50EB wrote: Ok, I can help here because I wanted to use my EB actuators with the AU setup in my EB, but AU and E-series work differently. E series actuators have 3 wires operating them. 1.power supply 2.up (switched closed in the BEM) 3.down (switched closed in the BEM) -the up and down wires close the cct to make the actuator move in the direction required. The actuators available from Rhino, Jaycar, etc work like AU actuators. There are two wires, the direction of the current dictates with way the actuator moves, up or down, (the direction of current flow is switched). You can get around this by putting relays in (contact Fuzion, he may be able to throw some light on how to do this). I hope this makes sense. I am interest on why you would want to change the actuators in your EB, I can understand in EF/EL. Back to top TS50EB Fordmods - Getting Side Ways Age:40 Posts: 445 Joined: 06 Nov 2004 Location: Belconnen, Canberra ACT, Australia View User Gallery (3) Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2004 1:54 pm    Post subject: Because I am running an AUII BEM (smartshield) AU1 smartlock AU2-3 smartshield BA MK1 - on - not sure Back to top dang Fordmods Stock as a Rock Age:35 Posts: 112 Joined: 08 Nov 2004 Location: Canberra ACT, Australia View User Gallery (0) Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2004 8:02 pm    Post subject: Hmmm, some issues you would have to get over here, even with a relay set up. First, from my experiments trying to diagnose my central locking problems, I discovered the BEM needs to know the state of the doors, so pressing the 'door' button on the keypad or the door lock switch will 'toggle' the state. (see the 'Help, smartlock gone crazy thread') It appears to do this from the drivers door actuator. The extra ground wire enables the actuator to pull the 'lock' wire to ground after a 'lock' signal, and to pull the 'unlock' wire to ground after an 'unlock' signal. This also allows the system to lock all the doors when either the key or the lock button is used to lock the drivers doors. So in short, you need at least one solenoid actuator with an SPDT switch to indicate its position. A check of the Jaycar website shows a master and 3 slave actuators on the four door kit. No further details on the actuators. Secondly, any setup would have to ensure that the slave actuators leave the lock wire open circuit after a lock operation and vice versa. I'll give this some more thought to help out those who think they would like to do this, but I want to keep my locking stock, so I will not be testing any of my thoughts. Cheers, Dang. Back to top dang Fordmods Stock as a Rock Age:35 Posts: 112 Joined: 08 Nov 2004 Location: Canberra ACT, Australia View User Gallery (0) Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2004 8:02 pm    Post subject: Hmmm, some issues you would have to get over here, even with a relay set up. First, from my experiments trying to diagnose my central locking problems, I discovered the BEM needs to know the state of the doors, so pressing the 'door' button on the keypad or the door lock switch will 'toggle' the state. (see the 'Help, smartlock gone crazy thread') It appears to do this from the drivers door actuator. The extra ground wire enables the actuator to pull the 'lock' wire to ground after a 'lock' signal, and to pull the 'unlock' wire to ground after an 'unlock' signal. This also allows the system to lock all the doors when either the key or the lock button is used to lock the drivers doors. So in short, you need at least one solenoid actuator with an SPDT switch to indicate its position. A check of the Jaycar website shows a master and 3 slave actuators on the four door kit. No further details on the actuators. Secondly, any setup would have to ensure that the slave actuators leave the lock wire open circuit after a lock operation and vice versa. I'll give this some more thought to help out those who think they would like to do this, but I want to keep my locking stock, so I will not be testing any of my thoughts. Cheers, Dang. Back to top Ryan0001 Fordmods - Getting Side Ways Age:21 Posts: 743 Joined: 20 Nov 2004 Location: Melbourne VIC, Australia View User Gallery (0) Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2004 10:19 pm    Post subject: thanks for the info dang, is there a doco or good threads on the site about replacing actuators? ryan Back to top Macca Fordmods - Getting Side Ways Age:36 Posts: 3247 Joined: 05 Nov 2004 Location: Singleton NSW, Australia View User Gallery (15) Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2004 10:38 pm    Post subject: Ryan0001 wrote: thanks for the info dang, is there a doco or good threads on the site about replacing actuators? ryan Matti did make some references of making a doco for fitting Commonwhore dead lock solenoids to Falcons, but I don't know what ever happened. 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