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Spotted the add for this in a magazine and are wondering if anyone has used or heard of it before.
The website for it is www.frictech.com |
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| Posted: Fri Dec 24, 2004 2:54 am Post subject: |
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| wtf is it? some kind of additive? |
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| Posted: Fri Dec 24, 2004 7:49 am Post subject: |
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So what your saying is magnatec oil is crap too or is that good? |
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| Posted: Fri Dec 24, 2004 7:58 am Post subject: |
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| Timmeh wrote: |
So what your saying is magnatec oil is crap too or is that good? |
I have my reservations about magnatec, but i'm no expert.... my mechanic puts it this way:
Assume it does what they claim (big assumption as far as i'm concerned). I would think having an oil that attracts little bits of metal would be a bad thing. Especially when you start the engine, this oil is supposedly in the top of your engine, with little bits of metal clinging to it?
No thanks - i prefer my oil filtered. |
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| Posted: Fri Dec 24, 2004 8:25 am Post subject: |
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Its a good thing I use Penrite then hey? 
I was thinking of others who use magnatec.
Maybe they should put an electric oil pump in for startup that works before you turn the starter it forces oil up and onto the moving parts and once the engine has started or the starter motor is on it turns off. |
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| Posted: Fri Dec 24, 2004 8:27 am Post subject: |
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| I think that kind of stuff is available innit? I imagine this is how a dry sump would operate. |
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| Posted: Fri Dec 24, 2004 10:07 am Post subject: |
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| Never really thought about it but I guess it would. Either that or its a constantly running electric pump. |
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| Posted: Sat Dec 25, 2004 6:12 pm Post subject: |
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Magnatec is NOT magnetic you dorks, it simply has a viscosity that keeps it clinging to the parts, rather then drippping away completely. Therefore, when you start your engine, the parts will always have at least some lubrication to begin with. Of course this doesnt mean that other,
non-synthetic oils, dont also do the same job.
But it is not magnetic and therefore will NOT attract small metal particles to it.
You might like to explain this to your mechanic ! |
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| Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2004 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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| master wrote: | Magnatec is NOT magnetic you dorks, it simply has a viscosity that keeps it clinging to the parts, rather then drippping away completely. Therefore, when you start your engine, the parts will always have at least some lubrication to begin with. Of course this doesnt mean that other,
non-synthetic oils, dont also do the same job.
But it is not magnetic and therefore will NOT attract small metal particles to it.
You might like to explain this to your mechanic ! |
For starters, dont call me (or anyone else in tech forums) a dork please.
Secondly, castrol's promotional materials state the key is the 'unique molecular attraction' - with a catch phrase like this and a name like magnatec, its pretty clear what they are trying to suggest...
Thirdly, you will note my comment where paraphrasing my mechanic started with "Assume it does what they claim".....
Perhaps you'd like to read the full posts to understand their context?
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| Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2004 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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I will have to back 4.9 EFFutura on this one as Magnatec has actually been proven to do absolutely nothing it claims it can do as has been documented thru an independant Oil durability test done by the Q.U.T a couple of years ago. I can dig up actual data stats if you like  |
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| Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2004 9:20 pm Post subject: |
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*thinks* i know what im doin this weekend,,,,, remote oil filter,,,, with an electric pil pump, similar to dry sump,,,,
but on a 555Timer on the oil pressure sender,,,, ill do a tech writeup when ive done it, but itll basicly be ,,,
when teh ignition is on, and the oil pressure is below a set limit, teh oil will be pumped through the galley's by the pump, then when pressure is up, i.e engine running,,, the pump will freeflow as normal..... |
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| Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2004 10:24 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks "1 SLY 97EL"
As I suggested, Castrol "MAGNATEC", would appear NOT to attract small metal particles, according to these independent QUT tests.
Sorry about the "dork" comment mr Futura, but seriously, try and lighten up will you. |
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| Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2004 12:53 am Post subject: |
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Before I start, this is not a negative or flamming response. Its a genuine question based reply, as I think the idea isnt too shabby, but I have some concerns... PS Snake Oil is fantastic stuff!
| Sketch wrote: | *thinks* i know what im doin this weekend,,,,, remote oil filter,,,, with an electric pil pump, similar to dry sump,,,,
but on a 555Timer on the oil pressure sender,,,, ill do a tech writeup when ive done it, but itll basicly be ,,,
when teh ignition is on, and the oil pressure is below a set limit, teh oil will be pumped through the galley's by the pump, then when pressure is up, i.e engine running,,, the pump will freeflow as normal..... |
What you describe is a pressure switch to activate a relay that powers the oil pump when the ignition is turned to ACC. Now I assume your ON equals 0psi and OFF equals 30psi or thereabouts (i dont know what a 351 idles pressure is), so basically do we monitor via a guage when to crank the engine over?
The 555 timer you describe, what parameters have you chosen, and why integrate this with the pressure switch? Are you doing so for when it does reach the OFF pressure it will still flow for X time, giving you enough time to crank the engine without worrying if the pump has stopped or not?
This is a worst case scenario, but what if the pressure drops (for whatever reason) and the switch activates the pump while your at the lights. Your oil feed for the pump then activates, possibly leaving your mechanical oil pump sucking air. Now as the 555 is set to X time, when you flog it off the line your oil pressure stays low and you risk mechanical damage... That is assuming you retain the stock oil filter location for mechanical pump, and use the remote oil filter for the elec pump (tapping into the sump)... How are you going to isolate the pressure switch whilst driving along?
Its a sound idea, and your write-up will hopefully answer those questions. |
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| Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2004 8:47 am Post subject: |
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| master wrote: |
Sorry about the "dork" comment mr Futura, but seriously, try and lighten up will you. |
Fair comment dude. Apologies, I was having a s**t of a day.... |
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| Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2004 2:50 pm Post subject: |
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Nice questions dude, its feedback like that that makes great inventions come to life : )
The pressure switch would be similar to those in the Ea and pov-pack falcons, with a pressure activated on off function, below set level is on, and above is off, similar to the pressure warning light’s, but with a relay to active pump.
As for monitoring via a gauge, I would assume that would be the optimum way to go, or perhaps have a sender set to activate a light when pressure has been reached.
I already have a separate analogue pressure gauge so that would be the easiest way to go, ill be doing it this weekend hopefully so ill address any issues I find during installation in the write-up.
With the 555 timer you pretty much have it spot on,
“Are you doing so for when it does reach the OFF pressure it will still flow for X time, giving you enough time to crank the engine without worrying if the pump has stopped or not? “
I may or may not implement this, because as soon as you crank the engine the standard oil pump will be working as usual, so its not necessary for the electric one to operate.
As far as the worst case scenario, I would only use one oil filter, in a remote location after the electric pump, ,,, it would also be very easy to run an engine oil cooler in front of the radiator also to maintain optimum oil viscosity.
Because the electric oil pump can free-flow when no current is applied, it will not interrupt normal operation when its not active, and if the oil pressure drops below said level at lights etc, it would only reduce pressure on the mechanical pump, and increase engine pressure up to the specified level, maintaining a correct pressure at all rpm’s.
feedback is apreceated, ill keep you all up to date on how it goes 
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| Posted: Sat Jan 01, 2005 8:10 am Post subject: |
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| No worries Mr Futura, we all have days like that. Lets just agree to the fact that Castrol "MAGNATEC", does none of what it claims, and from what we can gather, is a s***ty oil anyway |
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| Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2005 12:35 pm Post subject: |
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redline racing oil on the otehr hand,, mmmmmmmmmm
3-6 Hpand many otehr benifits,,, NOT off their website....
frank, you run waterwetter dont ya,,, man i love redline |
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| Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2005 9:39 am Post subject: |
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| master wrote: | | No worries Mr Futura, we all have days like that. Lets just agree to the fact that Castrol "MAGNATEC", does none of what it claims, and from what we can gather, is a s***ty oil anyway |
Yes we can all agree on this |
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| Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2005 1:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Sketch wrote: | Nice questions dude, its feedback like that that makes great inventions come to life : )
The pressure switch would be similar to those in the Ea and pov-pack falcons, with a pressure activated on off function, below set level is on, and above is off, similar to the pressure warning light’s, but with a relay to active pump.
As for monitoring via a gauge, I would assume that would be the optimum way to go, or perhaps have a sender set to activate a light when pressure has been reached.
I already have a separate analogue pressure gauge so that would be the easiest way to go, ill be doing it this weekend hopefully so ill address any issues I find during installation in the write-up.
With the 555 timer you pretty much have it spot on,
“Are you doing so for when it does reach the OFF pressure it will still flow for X time, giving you enough time to crank the engine without worrying if the pump has stopped or not? “
I may or may not implement this, because as soon as you crank the engine the standard oil pump will be working as usual, so its not necessary for the electric one to operate.
As far as the worst case scenario, I would only use one oil filter, in a remote location after the electric pump, ,,, it would also be very easy to run an engine oil cooler in front of the radiator also to maintain optimum oil viscosity.
Because the electric oil pump can free-flow when no current is applied, it will not interrupt normal operation when its not active, and if the oil pressure drops below said level at lights etc, it would only reduce pressure on the mechanical pump, and increase engine pressure up to the specified level, maintaining a correct pressure at all rpm’s.
feedback is apreceated, ill keep you all up to date on how it goes
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A further question for you. You will take the oil pickup for the electric pump from the base of the sump, right?
Obviously, you can't take it from through the mechanical pump, as it isn't spinning and therefore there would be zero oil flow. |
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