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na2fairlane
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 Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 2:07 am Post subject: cost of turbo |
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| i was just doing a search on turbo setups to see how much they cost for a friend but of course there are no posts on it now. SO. what is ur average turbo setup and how much do they cost roughly? im sure this will be usefull for future reference. cheaper than supercharging? im looking for fitted prices and prices of twin turbo. |
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Big Kev
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| Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 6:36 am Post subject: |
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Depends on how big u want the turbo to be and whether u want a brand new one or used.....then theres the brand.....whether it will be a standard bearing or ball bearing based.....what sort of manifolds will need to be created to suit your setup.
But all n all u can get a normal setup for $4ooo ish up for twin turbo mmmm again same as above and remember the turbos need to be identical....so probably $6500 for a low boost twin setup
My bit any way
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| Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 9:58 am Post subject: |
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Think of a number, double it, and then add 25% for good measure  |
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markrowe1
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| Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 2:43 pm Post subject: |
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| i would figure that if you did most of the work eg making manifolds and whatever and shopped around you may get out of it for $4000 but that probably wouldnt include decent fuel management. that said if you got some really good deals you may be able to do it easily for 4 but i wouldnt count on it |
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| Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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Here's what you need...
custom exhuast manifold $800
turbo, many choices here $1200 and up
Intercooler 600 300 75 $400 and up
Intercooler piping,hoses
clamps $500 and up
Injectors , 450cc plus $600
Fuel pump, bosch hi vol $300
Oil lines for turbo $250
ECU, wolf, micro, autron' $1200 and up
Exhaust dump pipe(s) $300
Labour?? $...
Thats a start for a well set up turbo system, so add in labour costs and tuning, then start thinking about wether the motor will cope |
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| Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2004 3:46 pm Post subject: Wanting to Turbo an EF II |
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I am also interested in modifying my Falcon EF II also, however my biggest hurdle is the fact that it is an Auto...
Would any one have any ideas as to whether Turbo Charging the Auto Falcon be worthwhile, or upgrading to a C4 gearbox with quick shift do just fine. The thing is that I want to keep her since I know its service history and all, I was the second owner of the vehicle and am worried about finding a manual one in good condition....
What is your thoughts on this???? Upgrade auto transmission or trade in for a manual EF-EL????
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| Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2004 4:30 pm Post subject: |
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| the auto transmission will do fine strength wise unless you are really going to go crazy with the setup. just put a shift kit on it and maybe even add the ba tiptronic shifting gear to it (it can be done) |
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| Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2004 10:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Yeah the auto gearbox is strong enough but if you wanna go heaps of perfomance then either have it strengthed or run a shift kit on it or do a manual conversion on yours which go for round $1250 |
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| Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2004 6:40 am Post subject: |
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If you are paying to get it all fitted allow at least $8,000 for a basic set-up around 175rwkw.
You need to allow $13,000 for something larger including gearbox and clutch. |
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chr!s
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| Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2004 10:09 pm Post subject: |
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i know all the setups you guys have mentioned are around $4000 but they are for pretty good set ups...
what is the matter with this setup:
Exhaust manifold made from local shop: $600
Rx4 turbo or equivilent (bush one is fine because big 4l can easily spool it up): $500
fuel pressure regulator: $200
oil lines from pirtek or somewhere: $100
some cheap piping: $200
dump pipe and misc: $200
run it on 5psi and get a nice increase in power for around $1800 or less...
i could scrounge around and get piping and oil lines etc for cheaper if i wanted.
all im saying is: 4g is alot of money and i reckon a cheap low boost system could be made and be very reliable...
just my 2c and can somebody please tell me theirs cause im going to try this and want to know if its gonna work... |
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CHEF
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| Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2004 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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If your ready to part with 2 grand for a cheap dodgy setup that will maybe push 150k@w, you would be better off keeping it NA and and spending 2grand on the usual stuff, that way you would have a reliable 150kw not a motor on the verge of detonation 99% of the time.
Fact is that turbo's are serious stuff that can easilly destroy a motor if you dont do it right... and doing it right costs alot |
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chr!s
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| Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2004 11:38 pm Post subject: |
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| CHEF wrote: | If your ready to part with 2 grand for a cheap dodgy setup that will maybe push 150k@w, you would be better off keeping it NA and and spending 2grand on the usual stuff, that way you would have a reliable 150kw not a motor on the verge of detonation 99% of the time.
Fact is that turbo's are serious stuff that can easilly destroy a motor if you dont do it right... and doing it right costs alot |
Just because it is cheap doesnt mean it is dodgy. why would it be on the verge of detonation 99% of the time? 5psi isnt much... just because i dont want huge power doesnt mean im going to do it dodgy.
small power increase = no intercooler ?(saving), standard computer retained (saving), average turbo (saving)... non of this is dodgy but just gonna acheive massive power from it. a low 14 second car is definately fast enough for me. |
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| Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2004 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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Yes if you know what you are doing cheap doesn't mean dodgy, BUT how often have you had anything come in at or under budget from figures you estimated??
A ser 4 RX7 is about the smallest you would want to run (ser 5 is better) and I have seen them for as low as $200 but I have never seen one that did not have something wrong with it. I reckon a VG30DET turbo would be more reliable due to being slightly younger.
Also whats your timing cure like under boost?? Your theory is sound provided you know the std ford ecu timing curve is not very advanced from the factory.
I have actually budgeted $3000 for my turbo build up. Its taking a little time because I am always looking out for bargins to keep my costs down. For that price I am geting programmable ecu, intercooler, manifold, injectors, fuel pump, 3" exhaust, turbo and external wastegate. I am aiming for a reliable daily 250rwhp. I reckon I will be very close although I am doing 95% of all the fabrication, ecu install and tuning. I am about 1/2 way there. |
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| EBXR8380 wrote: | | www.turbomustangs.com |
Thats an excellent site! But im jealous of the room they have in front of their 8's! Stupid americans |
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| Andrew J wrote: | | EBXR8380 wrote: | | www.turbomustangs.com |
Thats an excellent site! But im jealous of the room they have in front of their 8's! Stupid americans |
Hahah yes i can hardly shut my bonnet, had to install MSD inside due to no space... |
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CHEF
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| Posted: Sat Dec 25, 2004 5:54 pm Post subject: |
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| chr!s wrote: | | CHEF wrote: | If your ready to part with 2 grand for a cheap dodgy setup that will maybe push 150k@w, you would be better off keeping it NA and and spending 2grand on the usual stuff, that way you would have a reliable 150kw not a motor on the verge of detonation 99% of the time.
Fact is that turbo's are serious stuff that can easilly destroy a motor if you dont do it right... and doing it right costs alot |
Just because it is cheap doesnt mean it is dodgy. why would it be on the verge of detonation 99% of the time? 5psi isnt much... just because i dont want huge power doesnt mean im going to do it dodgy.
small power increase = no intercooler ?(saving), standard computer retained (saving), average turbo (saving)... non of this is dodgy but just gonna acheive massive power from it. a low 14 second car is definately fast enough for me. |
OK, translation time 
Without any form of intercooling, ie FMIC, water injecton, ect you WILL get serious detonation starting at anything over 3psi... and thats with a any turbo, small or large. What you would be doing here is feeding the engin air temps of around 90deg which causes detonation, second cause is the stock computers ignition curve... this needs to retard dramtically under boost without intercooling.
Next is your fuel supply... the standard injectors wont handle over a few psi so replace them, luckily magna injectors can flow enough to JUST cope with a few psi, so grab a set from a wreckers ( and hope they are in good cond). Fuel pump is also a restriction but you could always hook up another pump inline to save you the cost of buying a larger unit.
VG30 turbos work well, but due to the size of there exhaust housing you will restrict top end power and all your power will be very low in the rev range, so you will constantly on boost and hitting the turbo's limits at around 4000rpm ( some like this, others dont)
Dodgy?? What I meant was a motor detonating was dodgy, not the fact you would fabricate all the work yourself... I too fabricate all my own stuff at home to save $$.
I know it would be great to do a turbo install for a few grand but you have to look at these things with an open mind and except other poeples opinons as some of us here have being playing with turbos for years and have tried all the short cuts and know what the results are
I myself, am not interested in a mild turbo set up to do 14s, thats NA stuff, but I do like to share any knowledge I have to others so as to help them avoid wasting money, Because if you know what your doing and DIY most of it you can have ALOT of power without spending silly money.
Can I recomend to you, that if 150kw@wheels is all you are after then spend the 2grand on the NA motor, but if your starting point is 2grand and you want a bit more power down the track you shouldnt skimp on the basics... Intercooler, Lge turbo (T04 size)and fuel system.
Break it down like this...
400 used RX7 turbo
350 intercooler
250 mild steel bends (weld yourself) you need around 6 bends @ $20 a bend, plus hose joiners,clamps... you may do all this for $150 too
100(?) magna injs
100 used pump
50 boost gauge u need this!
150 dump pipe
60 turbo flange (DIY mount it on the manifold)
AND whatever it costs you to "chip" the ecu or get a used ecu (wolf, MT ect) for around 400 plus tuning, plus there will be extra stuf such at oil lines but they can be sorted for buger all if you look around and DIY |
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| Posted: Sun Dec 26, 2004 7:17 pm Post subject: |
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geez thanks chef.
man, thats like the best advice ive got off these forums since ive been here. thanks for putting the time into replying.
im not sure how much i want to spend yet so NA might be the way to go.
thanks again - ive learnt heaps form this thread etc. |
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| Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2005 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Thats cool, glad to help dude. |
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| Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2005 4:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Two VG30 T turbo's would be o/k though... |
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