Home |  Forums |  Search |  My Profile |  Chat  Photo Gallery |  Events Calendar |  Technical Documents  No messages |  New Posts |  Watched Topics |  Register   Windsor 302 Engine modifications Goto page 1, 2  Next          Forum Index -> V8 Workshop Latest ratings Highest-ranked posts Highest-ranked topics Highest-ranked posters   5litre Fordmods Oompa Loompa Age:24 Posts: 37 Joined: 14 Nov 2004 Location: melbourne VIC, Australia View User Gallery (5) Posted: Thu Jan 06, 2005 6:04 pm    Post subject: Windsor 302 Engine modifications im thinking of getting more power out of my ef v8 5.0. what type of engine modification can i do and what would they cost. also does anyone know of any places in melbourne where this type of work can be done. i know of mick webbs and flowcraft, anymore would be a help thanks. Back to top Interceptor Fordmods - Getting Side Ways Age:27 Posts: 7287 Joined: 05 Nov 2004 Location: Somewhere in QLD, Australia View User Gallery (12) Posted: Thu Jan 06, 2005 6:47 pm    Post subject: how much do you want to spend? Back to top Vic Cruise Moderator Posts: 5600 Joined: 05 Nov 2004 Location: Melbourne VIC, Australia View User Gallery (3) Posted: Thu Jan 06, 2005 7:28 pm    Post subject: Mick Webb will be honest with you and do a good job. Back to top EDXR8 Fordmods - Getting Side Ways Age:29 Posts: 1440 Joined: 07 Nov 2004 Location: Adelaide SA, Australia View User Gallery (0) Posted: Thu Jan 06, 2005 8:33 pm    Post subject: Vic wrote: Mick Webb will be honest with you and do a good job. Exactly, I found Mick Webb excellent even if you are just after info, his prices are also quite reasonable for his reputation. As for the mods, it all comes down to how much you are willing to spend and what power you want. If you only want to spend $1-2k, then it is exhaust extractors, roller rockers, thermos & CAI but you will only be looking at 200fwkw max. Any more power requires a change of heads and intake which are fairly expensive, you can still keep the costs down by using AU GT40P heads and explorer intake which do flow fairly well, then a nice cam etc will get you to around 240-260fwkw. Back to top raiki Fordmods - Getting Side Ways Age:33 Posts: 450 Joined: 21 Dec 2004 Location: Adelaide SA, Australia View User Gallery (1) Posted: Thu Jan 06, 2005 9:08 pm    Post subject: So far I have Pacemaker headers (PH4000) and PowerCat Cats. That was $1200 fitted. On the list: (prices are parts only and estimates) Edel. Alloy heads: $1800 (with valves and springs) (or AFR but too exp.) YT roller rockers: $600 Prof. Products intake: $700 (similar to Edel. RPM) Prof. Products 70mm TB: $400 Pro-M MAF and 24# injectors: $1000 (if you know the right people) Cold Air & K&N filter: $200 (maybe even a shaker $???) 3" single system exhaust (too low for twin): $300 Cam: $??? Probably have to add a Unichip at some stage to improve drivability: $1500 or so with dyno time. After all that I think my auto will give up so next on the list is a Tremec 6 speed. Expensive but can be done is stages. Have a look at XR8Chics webpage. It is a good guide to what you should buy and what to expect from it. I am hoping for 200rwkw Back to top dpb06 Fordmods Newbie Posts: 19 Joined: 17 Dec 2004 Location: melbourne VIC, Australia View User Gallery (4) Posted: Thu Jan 06, 2005 10:44 pm    Post subject: best place i could think of would be to start with cam and exhaust - if you really want to make a difference depends what you're driving. I started out with that and then modified the heads and manifold and throttle body. Now my cam isn't big enough. If you're running an ED or above, most i think you can go without having to re-map you ECU is about 220Kw AU series 3 equivilent. Better if you do it anyway, but if you do you may as well get a larger cam. I am looking for any reccomended cam grinds and brands that anyone can offer. Currently running roller cam and lifters pushing 170rwkw Back to top EDXR8 Fordmods - Getting Side Ways Age:29 Posts: 1440 Joined: 07 Nov 2004 Location: Adelaide SA, Australia View User Gallery (0) Posted: Thu Jan 06, 2005 10:51 pm    Post subject: dpb06 wrote: I am looking for any reccomended cam grinds and brands that anyone can offer. Currently running roller cam and lifters pushing 170rwkw What heads are you running? That would help in deciding on cam. Cam change with stock heads won't get you great results. The stock cam is quite a good grind and matches the stock heads reasonably well. Back to top TerroristGHIA Fordmods - Getting Side Ways Age:37 Posts: 2494 Joined: 25 Nov 2004 Location: Sydney Australia NSW, Australia View User Gallery (7) Posted: Thu Jan 06, 2005 11:34 pm    Post subject: Windsor 302 Engine modifications My 5.0 has lukey extractors, factory cats, 2 1/2 single exhaust from cats back. 4 in cold air intake( hole cut in bottom of airbox and ducting to the front left spotlight mount), these mods cost 1200, but i did the fitting. Then i had it unichiped( 995 from C+V fitted and tuned). This returned 141rwkw's. I have also ordered RPM performerII intake maniforl, and a Pro-m Maf and 24lb injectors form Mr Laundau( need to contact him soon sorry shane). Have also fitted DBA gold's at Bendix ultimate pads for 250 per corner. These mods have so far transformed the car. Next is a 347 bottom end and AFR heads, as well as the edel RPM PerformerII Nos kit. with current mods has run a 15.2@94, when stock ran 16.4@87 at WSID. Will advise when MAF, Injectors and manifold is fitted as to the power/times Back to top dpb06 Fordmods Newbie Posts: 19 Joined: 17 Dec 2004 Location: melbourne VIC, Australia View User Gallery (4) Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2005 9:51 am    Post subject: EDXR8 wrote: dpb06 wrote: I am looking for any reccomended cam grinds and brands that anyone can offer. Currently running roller cam and lifters pushing 170rwkw What heads are you running? That would help in deciding on cam. Cam change with stock heads won't get you great results. The stock cam is quite a good grind and matches the stock heads reasonably well. Running GT40 heads ported and matched - not sure why i can't get any more power... i can only put it down to the cam Back to top EDXR8 Fordmods - Getting Side Ways Age:29 Posts: 1440 Joined: 07 Nov 2004 Location: Adelaide SA, Australia View User Gallery (0) Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2005 10:35 am    Post subject: That is getting close to the max you will get with those heads , with a decent can you can probably push it to around 190-200rwkw, aftermarket alloys may get you another 20rwkw but then you need to look at a stroker or forced induction if you want more power while keeping it streetable. IMO look at a crane 2030 or a TFS1 cam, both have shown to give excellent power while reetaining a fairly nice idle and drivability. Back to top Waggin Site Admin Age:25 Posts: 6763 Joined: 18 Dec 2002 Location: Sydney NSW, Australia View User Gallery (3) Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2005 12:46 pm    Post subject: EDXR8 wrote: That is getting close to the max you will get with those heads , with a decent can you can probably push it to around 190-200rwkw, aftermarket alloys may get you another 20rwkw but then you need to look at a stroker or forced induction if you want more power while keeping it streetable. IMO look at a crane 2030 or a TFS1 cam, both have shown to give excellent power while reetaining a fairly nice idle and drivability. What sort of gains could dpb06 see with an aftermarket ECU? I realise the heads are reaching the end of their flow potential, but could the factory ECU be a slight bottle neck? Is there 10-15RWKW hidden away and fogotten? Not just peak power, but also power gains across the whole range, which aren't so impressive on the dyno, but could mean 0.2-0.3 on the 400m Back to top EDXR8 Fordmods - Getting Side Ways Age:29 Posts: 1440 Joined: 07 Nov 2004 Location: Adelaide SA, Australia View User Gallery (0) Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2005 12:53 pm    Post subject: You could see 5-15rwkw improvement with aftermarket computer or retune of the factory EEC, and obviously you will also pick up some mid range power too. But I do think the factory tune is quite good, fuele mapping is pretty good, timing is safe and could do with a bit more advance in most places especially with a new cam. Back to top Waggin Site Admin Age:25 Posts: 6763 Joined: 18 Dec 2002 Location: Sydney NSW, Australia View User Gallery (3) Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2005 1:01 pm    Post subject: Yeah. I would imagine there would be 5-10RWKW available on a stock engine. Assuming the ECU is happy with your choice of cam, injectors, maf, etc - you should get the same sort of gains on a worked engine, and possibly more if the ECU is not quite so happy about certain changes. What sort of potential do the E7 heads have ? Is there any point doing much with them, or is it better to look at the GT40P and aftermarket. Back to top 4.9 EF Futura Moderator Age:27 Posts: 8658 Joined: 05 Nov 2004 Location: Adelaide CBD SA, Australia View User Gallery (37) Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2005 1:15 pm    Post subject: Waggin wrote: Yeah. I would imagine there would be 5-10RWKW available on a stock engine. Assuming the ECU is happy with your choice of cam, injectors, maf, etc - you should get the same sort of gains on a worked engine, and possibly more if the ECU is not quite so happy about certain changes. I think that's a reasonable comment and probably holds true for most EFI cars. I guess it wasnt in ford's best interest to squeeze the maximum out of the engine when it could detune slightly and replace fewer of them. Personally i think tweecer would be ideal. EEC's a great ECU and the potential with a good editor would easily compare to an aftermarket job. Quote: What sort of potential do the E7 heads have ? Is there any point doing much with them, or is it better to look at the GT40P and aftermarket. Ive known a couple of people port them out with OK gains. Barry_v here in SA did his own and i think ported out the HO manifold to suit. I doubt it would be worth spending much money on. Im not sure what the inherent limitation is with the E7's - ports/valve size/combustion chambers etc. Perhaps someone could provide some insight for us? It seems like just one restriction after the other with the HO engine - heads/manifolds/TB/MAF. Fuel consumption must be frightening once all this is replaced, lol. Back to top EDXR8 Fordmods - Getting Side Ways Age:29 Posts: 1440 Joined: 07 Nov 2004 Location: Adelaide SA, Australia View User Gallery (0) Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2005 1:17 pm    Post subject: Even fully ported (around $1000 worth of work) they will only flow the same as GT40P's so IMO it isn't worth putting any money into the E7's Back to top Waggin Site Admin Age:25 Posts: 6763 Joined: 18 Dec 2002 Location: Sydney NSW, Australia View User Gallery (3) Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2005 1:28 pm    Post subject: Excellent, thats what I wanted to hear! Time to start shopping. With the wonderful world of LPG I dont need to worry about the Manifold, Injectors, TB or MAF. Makes life much easier. I'm currently sourcing an ECU for my V8 which is tweecer compatible. After Pete gave me a demo on the tweecers ability, I was sold! If the MoTeC wasn't so fancy (and a good value purchase), I would've looked at the tweecer for the 'waggin' Back to top EDXR8 Fordmods - Getting Side Ways Age:29 Posts: 1440 Joined: 07 Nov 2004 Location: Adelaide SA, Australia View User Gallery (0) Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2005 2:01 pm    Post subject: Yeah the Tweecer is a great unit but you need a fair bit of knowledge to tune it properly and get the max out of the EEC. The lack of doccumented support as well as the layout of the software is a limiting factor IMO but once you play with it for a couple of days things start to make sense. Back to top Waggin Site Admin Age:25 Posts: 6763 Joined: 18 Dec 2002 Location: Sydney NSW, Australia View User Gallery (3) Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2005 3:17 pm    Post subject: I've seen it in action and love it. Not quite as nice as the Motec software, but all the options are there and easily changed. About $5000 price difference between the 2 as well. Back to top 5litre Fordmods Oompa Loompa Age:24 Posts: 37 Joined: 14 Nov 2004 Location: melbourne VIC, Australia View User Gallery (5) Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 7:03 pm    Post subject: im running 3inch exhurst with twin cats with extractors, KnN filter, and thats about it. im wanting to do heads and cam package. anyone got a price on how much it is to do this, and has anyone got it done. what are the power gains also thinking of a shift kit. where and how much and i looking for one of these. thanks Back to top EDXR8 Fordmods - Getting Side Ways Age:29 Posts: 1440 Joined: 07 Nov 2004 Location: Adelaide SA, Australia View User Gallery (0) Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 7:09 pm    Post subject: Heads can range from $1000 for the GT40P's which are quite good IMO to around $2500 for alloys such as Edlebrock, Trickflow, AFR's. Cams will generally cost around $400 but if you run stock or GT40P heads you will also need better valve springs/retainers which will set you back another $300. You will also want a new intake manifold (stock one is the biggest restriction) which will cost from $600-$100. Improvements can vary but probably around 50rwkw maybe a bit more depending on what parts you get. Back to top Display posts from previous: All Posts1 Day7 Days2 Weeks1 Month3 Months6 Months1 Year Oldest FirstNewest First             Forum Index -> V8 Workshop Goto page 1, 2  Next Page 1 of 2   (c)2002-2008 Matti Jones and Brad Evans [47 queries :: 0.07289 seconds ]