Home |  Forums |  Search |  My Profile |  Chat  Photo Gallery |  Events Calendar |  Technical Documents  No messages |  New Posts |  Watched Topics |  Register   Gas on fairmont and fiesta? Goto page 1, 2  Next          Forum Index -> LPG and Alternative Fuels Latest ratings Highest-ranked posts Highest-ranked topics Highest-ranked posters   smdoherty Fordmods Oompa Loompa Age:26 Posts: 43 Joined: 01 Jan 2005 Location: Port Kennedy WA, Australia View User Gallery (0) Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 12:49 am    Post subject: Gas on fairmont and fiesta? About to buy a ba fairmont ghia (04 mk1) and maybe a fiesta or focus for the ugly half. First thing i'll be doing is gas, at least on the fairmont... Spoke to a bloke at the car doctor in port kennedy, wa. and think their the go for direct gas injection for the fairmont (~$4300 - $1000 wa rebate - $2000 federal rebate = $1300 ) He mentioned a few different systems, apollo? omi? and something from sprint (dream...?) only one i've heard of is whats on parnell's website. So any recomendations here? Also, for a fiesta or focus, is it worth putting on gas? can it be done? Back to top 98fairmont Fordmods Stock as a Rock Age:23 Posts: 176 Joined: 21 Mar 2005 Location: Perth WA, Australia View User Gallery (15) Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 10:28 pm    Post subject: I used to know someone who was running an excel on gas, so I'm sure it could be done Back to top Mechan1k Fordmods - Getting Side Ways Age:31 Posts: 1974 Joined: 08 Mar 2005 Location: East Kurrajong NSW, Australia View User Gallery (4) Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 2:13 am    Post subject: Have heard good things about the Sprintgas Dream system ... don't touch Parnell ... too many horrors stories from them (and poor service as well). I dount it's worth converting a small vehicle ... economy is pretty damn good on them already ... regaining the cost of the conversion might take a long time. Although I have seen a Barina done ... and the tank took the entire boot ... a waste really. Back to top xpression Technical Contributor Age:23 Posts: 2358 Joined: 07 Nov 2004 Location: Perth WA, Australia View User Gallery (6) Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 9:33 am    Post subject: dont do anything to a focus. The engine management on them is fiddly enough as it is. A fiesta is a better mechanical setup (very similar to mazda2 setup, AND built in europe not south africa where the new focus' comes from, and so might be a better option, but theres nowhere to put a gas tank and a fiesta will already give u well under 10L/100km Back to top xpression Technical Contributor Age:23 Posts: 2358 Joined: 07 Nov 2004 Location: Perth WA, Australia View User Gallery (6) Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 9:33 am    Post subject: also, when u wanna buy, make sure u call in at work and see what deal they'll do u. Tell them dave from service sent u Back to top smdoherty Fordmods Oompa Loompa Age:26 Posts: 43 Joined: 01 Jan 2005 Location: Port Kennedy WA, Australia View User Gallery (0) Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 11:14 am    Post subject: Wont worry about the small car then, forgot about losing boot space with the tank. Whats the capacity of those donut tanks (for the fairmont)? wheres work xpression? Back to top Soulfire Fordmods - Getting Side Ways Age:22 Posts: 4323 Joined: 17 Jan 2006 Location: Cranbourne VIC, Australia View User Gallery (0) Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 11:23 am    Post subject: the fiesta will use under 8L/100, LPG is not worth the hassle. Back to top ToranaGuy Fordmods - Getting Side Ways Age:26 Posts: 451 Joined: 08 Dec 2004 Location: Werribee VIC, Australia View User Gallery (11) Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 12:43 pm    Post subject: Soulfire wrote: the fiesta will use under 8L/100, LPG is not worth the hassle. I dunno about that. In the end it will depend on how many Kms the car will do & how long it's planned to be kept. That will decide if it's worth it or not. I'd love to convert my mighty boy to lpg, much cheaper to run & more enviro friendly than unleaded as it doesn't have a cat convert. Yes that's legal, engines under 1lt don't need a cat. Mechan1k wrote: don't touch Parnell ... too many horrors stories from them (and poor service as well). Regarding Parnell, i can vouch for poor service & a horror story, but won't say much here, other than take your business elsewhere! Cheers ToranaGuy Back to top richard williams Fordmods - Getting Side Ways Age:39 Posts: 535 Joined: 22 Sep 2005 Location: melbourne VIC, Australia View User Gallery (0) Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 12:59 pm    Post subject: why not lpg obn a 4cyl if the fed gov pays for it? If you do plenty of klm then its still worthwhile dependant on tank space of course... not in a hatchback though! Back to top smdoherty Fordmods Oompa Loompa Age:26 Posts: 43 Joined: 01 Jan 2005 Location: Port Kennedy WA, Australia View User Gallery (0) Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 1:11 pm    Post subject: yeah i've decided against gas on a small car for her, based on her only really driving the kids to school and herself to work and back again. She probably would only do 10-15k km a year. I average around 25-30k km a year so definetly worth it for me. Cant wait to see how good these injection systems are. the system on the old fairlane i've got now (92 NC) is junk! Wont get a parnell systems, cheers. Back to top Soulfire Fordmods - Getting Side Ways Age:22 Posts: 4323 Joined: 17 Jan 2006 Location: Cranbourne VIC, Australia View User Gallery (0) Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 4:14 pm    Post subject: ToranaGuy wrote: Soulfire wrote: the fiesta will use under 8L/100, LPG is not worth the hassle. I dunno about that. In the end it will depend on how many Kms the car will do & how long it's planned to be kept. That will decide if it's worth it or not. I'd love to convert my mighty boy to lpg, much cheaper to run & more enviro friendly than unleaded as it doesn't have a cat convert. Yes that's legal, engines under 1lt don't need a cat. Mechan1k wrote: don't touch Parnell ... too many horrors stories from them (and poor service as well). Regarding Parnell, i can vouch for poor service & a horror story, but won't say much here, other than take your business elsewhere! Cheers ToranaGuy The fiesta is 1.6L, and i promise you the lpg saving at the pump will not offset the initial outlay until about 40000km. Back to top smdoherty Fordmods Oompa Loompa Age:26 Posts: 43 Joined: 01 Jan 2005 Location: Port Kennedy WA, Australia View User Gallery (0) Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 4:42 pm    Post subject: Yeah, already decided against gas for the small car. Even with the rebates it wouldnt save much money. Back to top richard williams Fordmods - Getting Side Ways Age:39 Posts: 535 Joined: 22 Sep 2005 Location: melbourne VIC, Australia View User Gallery (0) Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 4:43 pm    Post subject: What outlay? Havent you heard that WA has $1000 govt rebate plus $2000 fed govt rebate so it costs $000000 for a 4 cylinder... If I had for example a subaru imprezza sedan then I would convert it to gas for sure. Back to top smdoherty Fordmods Oompa Loompa Age:26 Posts: 43 Joined: 01 Jan 2005 Location: Port Kennedy WA, Australia View User Gallery (0) Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 4:54 pm    Post subject: didnt it think it would be that much cheaper for a 4 cylinder? Back to top ToranaGuy Fordmods - Getting Side Ways Age:26 Posts: 451 Joined: 08 Dec 2004 Location: Werribee VIC, Australia View User Gallery (11) Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 6:39 pm    Post subject: smdoherty wrote: didnt it think it would be that much cheaper for a 4 cylinder? With upto $3k of rebates in WA, i think anyone who doesn't want LPG on their cars is nuts. I mean, even if it costs you another $1000 out of your own pocket to put a state of the art LPG Injection system onto your car, with the price of LPG Vs Petrol, it doesn't take that long to pay $1000 off. Today LPG is 49.9 near me, Today Petrol is 134.9 near me. 85 Cents Per Litre saving. That's a lot of extra $$ in your pocket. Let's do a bit of math to work out payback cost of converting that said little 1.6lt car to LPG. Let's Assume conversion cost of $4000, and you get $3000 of grants, meaning your out of pocket expense is $1000. $10.792 to do 100km assuming 8/100 economy of small car on petrol $4.99 to do 100km assuming 10/100 economy of small car on LPG I'm allowing 2/100 worse economy on lpg, but if you get a LPG Injection system on that little car, it probably won't be that big of a differance. I run a LPGI setup, differance between petrol & LPG economy is about 1.2lt/100, bugger all really. 10k kms on petrol will cost $1079.20 10k kms on LPG will cost $499 Differance - LPG is $580.20 cheaper 15k kms on petrol will cost $1618.18 15k kms on lpg will cost $748.50 Differance - LPG is $869.68 cheaper. If that little car did 15k kms a year, it would take a little over 1year to break even for the LPG Conversion. Say the car has a life span of 5yrs, you could save $4348.4 on fuel expenses over the life of the car. That doesn't take into account factors like price inflation either. If the gap between petrol & lpg grows, you will only save more. I'd be suprised if the price gap between petrol and gas get's reduced to below 40cpl anytime in the next 5 yrs. I'd also be suprised if a little 4cyl would cost $4000 to convert, i know big 6's & 8's can get LPGI setup's for a bit over $4k here in vic, some places are cheaper. I'd be suprised if a 4cyl was more than $3k to convert. There really is only 1 drawback with LPG cars, tank position. If you could get a " spare wheel " type tank, you won't loose much bootspace, and still have room for the shopping. With LPGI systems, i know the parnell one starts the car on petrol then switches it over, i can't speak for the others tho. I use about 5lt of petrol every 2wks or so usually, to start the car. Even that being said, i'm still a long way ahead on fuel costs. I do about 40 - 45k kms a year. At the end of all this, i have to say this post isn't trying to make you get lpg on that small car, it's just meant to outline a few figures so you can make an informed decision on the savings that are possible, depending on what fuel type you choose to run. Cheers ToranaGuy Back to top richard williams Fordmods - Getting Side Ways Age:39 Posts: 535 Joined: 22 Sep 2005 Location: melbourne VIC, Australia View User Gallery (0) Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 7:18 pm    Post subject: too right exactly what I was saying... LOL Back to top MilleniumFalcon Fordmods - Smokin em up Age:25 Posts: 273 Joined: 29 Nov 2004 Location: Perth WA, Australia View User Gallery (20) Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 1:43 am    Post subject: smdoherty your just down the road from me, warnbro. I went to the car doctor a few months back, in preparation for my new car, they couldn't give me a definate on the waiting list, but they estimated about 12months :/. 21st Century auto's off dixon rd. (ex ford head mechanic) good bloke, estimated about a 6month wait Hey Toranaguy there's been a rumour going around for years that very soon the government is going to put a tax on gas, bringing it up to 80c or more per litre, any news on that? Back to top richard williams Fordmods - Getting Side Ways Age:39 Posts: 535 Joined: 22 Sep 2005 Location: melbourne VIC, Australia View User Gallery (0) Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 7:23 am    Post subject: the gov is taxing gas ... not to 80c though check out the fed gov websites. It is to be staged over a few years but should still be about half the price of petrol. Back to top ToranaGuy Fordmods - Getting Side Ways Age:26 Posts: 451 Joined: 08 Dec 2004 Location: Werribee VIC, Australia View User Gallery (11) Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 8:01 am    Post subject: richard williams wrote: the gov is taxing gas ... not to 80c though check out the fed gov websites. It is to be staged over a few years but should still be about half the price of petrol. They are going to add about 12.5cpl IIRC of tax to the price of lpg, which is a disgrace considering they should be encouraging cleaner fuels. Make no mistake, we pay GST on LPG already, and then they will add another Tax on a Tax. They planned to phase it in over a few yrs. I think the 1st part may already be in the price of LPG. Still, checked the price gap latly? So close to 90cpl cheaper than petrol, another 12.5cpl on the cost of lpg over the govt's timeframe, and we can be sure that petrol will have a 90% chance of rising atleast that much, if not a lot more over the same timeframe. LPG still works out to be a better deal. Petrol has risen a bit over 30cpl in the last 3 or 4 yrs. Mind you LPG has gone up as well, i can remember paying 18.9cpl filling up my Torana. Some LPGI systems can even be used for CNG, i know the poliauto gear in my ford promotes they can run either LPG or CNG. Makes the investment a little better. Cheers ToranaGuy Back to top xpression Technical Contributor Age:23 Posts: 2358 Joined: 07 Nov 2004 Location: Perth WA, Australia View User Gallery (6) Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 9:09 pm    Post subject: work is range ford at maddo Back to top Display posts from previous: All Posts1 Day7 Days2 Weeks1 Month3 Months6 Months1 Year Oldest FirstNewest First             Forum Index -> LPG and Alternative Fuels Goto page 1, 2  Next Page 1 of 2   (c)2002-2008 Matti Jones and Brad Evans [47 queries :: 0.07265 seconds ]