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Scaffy
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 Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 9:36 pm Post subject: 302 Top End Rebuild - yep, another one! |
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Lastnight I finally ordered the gear for my top end rebuild.
I'll be going with one of the Trickflow kits which includes pretty much everything I need. I'll be getting the Trickflow 3/8" phenolic spacer to suit.
I'll also be getting the 24lb/hr Ford Racing injectors and BBK 70mm throttle body with egr plate.
The specs for the kit are in the following link. part# TFS-K514-350-370B
http://www.trickflow.com/product/enginekits/pr_enginekits_ford.asp
With any luck I'll have it all by the end of next week and I've then got to wait another month or so to get it fitted and tuned at BPT. It'll be a long, long wait! |
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More and more tough 5.0litres will be getting round perth.
It must be a disease, first clampy, then XH5ltwepn and i got a blower to fit! |
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| schnoods wrote: | More and more tough 5.0litres will be getting round perth.
It must be a disease, first clampy, then XH5ltwepn and i got a blower to fit! |
Lol, would have to be the best disease i've caught  .
Good to hear Chad, be sure to put up some pics of i all when it comes.  |
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| Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 2:26 pm Post subject: |
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Be advised the EGR will need to be modified so that the Throttle cable has some where to mount to.I took one of the bolts from the factory EGR and mounted it by drilling and tapping the new EGR. You then need to space the bolt out so the cable is the correct distance from the mount on the TB. The TB will aslo need the pin for the attachment to the throttle cable to be moved to the other side. You will understand what i mean when the parts turn up.
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Scaffy
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| Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah Jeff, when the parts come I'll take some pics.
Thanks for the tips on modding the EGR Brett. Will pass on info to Terry at BPT. I'm pretty sure they have a car in there now with BBK 75mm throttle body and EGR, so hopefully they will know what to do.
schnoods, hopefully before too long I'll be in the blower crew! Well, It'll be a little while, that's why I'm doing this. Getting sick of being beaten by AU XR6s! |
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| Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Look's the goods man. How many k's on your motor? Are you buying it from the states? Any piston clearance issue's with the heads? or is every thing bolt on apart from the tb and egr. |
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Scaffy
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| Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 11:18 pm Post subject: |
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My motor is 180,000km old and everything is bolt on. Except Trick Flow will be upsidae down on the intake.
I had a compression test done and was told it was all good but I have no idea what it means. All cylinders ranging between 135 and 145 whatsi-midoobies...  |
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| Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 12:46 am Post subject: |
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[quote="Scaffy"]Except Trick Flow will be upsidae down on the intake.
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Just grind those silly words off |
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| Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 10:15 am Post subject: |
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Or correct it when the blower goes on. That's my plan with the cooler piping (if I ever get that far  ) |
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| Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 1:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Kilma wrote: | | Or correct it when the blower goes on. That's my plan with the cooler piping (if I ever get that far ) |
I wouldn't be doing a TFS top end kit and a blower... Not on a standard block at any rate. |
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| Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 5:25 pm Post subject: |
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The bottom end will be getting overhauled in a major way when its time for uncle Kenne to jump on board.
There'll be no grinding either... maybe fabricate a plate to cover it or something. We'll see when it gets here. |
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| Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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The nice part about TFS Trick flow heads is the 2.02 valve can be used.. The chambers are higher .. A blower would make them breath real heavy...Keep fly wheel power around 400 h.p....
Unless you find an early 302 block...
400 h.p and safe tune, you'll be fine!!! |
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| Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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I will be watching this thread with a lot of interest. Wouldn't mind doing these mods to my car.
Would that Trickflow top end kit be ok for a 347?
Good luck with the mods mate. |
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| Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 11:12 pm Post subject: |
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I just saw a Fairmoint Ghia the other week on the dyno at BPT with 347 and Trickflow setup. I'm just not too sure whether he got it as a kit or got it seperate. I know he's using the track heat inlet for higher hp and he has twisted wedge heads but unsure as to which ones. Dunno about the cam. He pulled 320hp+ but they weren't happy with it. I'll try and find out exactly if it was one of these kits or not.
| EBXR8380 wrote: | The nice part about TFS Trick flow heads is the 2.02 valve can be used.. The chambers are higher .. A blower would make them breath real heavy...Keep fly wheel power around 400 h.p....
Unless you find an early 302 block...
400 h.p and safe tune, you'll be fine!!! |
Excuse my ignorance and possible dumbness  , but does this mean I would be able to go a bigger cam without having to worry about valves and pistons trying to push through each other? Or am I way off the mark? |
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| Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 11:47 pm Post subject: |
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The TFS heads do come with a 2.02" intake valve, the ability to run this with standard pistons comes from the rotated valve position rather than a 'higher' chamber.
There is a limit to how large a cam you can run, which is mentioned on TFS's website.
| Scaffy wrote: | | EBXR8380 wrote: | The nice part about TFS Trick flow heads is the 2.02 valve can be used.. The chambers are higher .. A blower would make them breath real heavy...Keep fly wheel power around 400 h.p....
Unless you find an early 302 block...
400 h.p and safe tune, you'll be fine!!! |
Excuse my ignorance and possible dumbness , but does this mean I would be able to go a bigger cam without having to worry about valves and pistons trying to push through each other? Or am I way off the mark? |
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| Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 9:41 am Post subject: |
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| Ah ok, thanks for that! |
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Scaffy
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| Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 1:20 pm Post subject: |
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I took The car in to BPT today to get a base dyno run done before the work gets done. When it got tuned 6 months ago, it ran 210.5rwhp. Since then though, I've felt that there's no way it was making that. It always felt it was starved for fuel. Well, whose a d***head then?!?!?!
I've been running it on the wrong setting this whole time! When I got the car back back then, I was told that the performance tune was on one end of the switch and the standard tune was on the other. I could never tell the difference between the two. On the dyno today we discovered that one would have been the standard tune whilst the other is more than likely the 95 octane tune. Both with pretty lean afrs.
We found the performance tune at position 2 and it ran a decent 211.6rwhp on shootout mode. Obviously a much better power curve and better torque range goes without saying. On the road it pulls all the way to the redline, unlike before when it would s**t itself at about 4200.
Next thing now is to get it down to the Motorplex this Wed hopefully to see if I can get a couple of good runs out of it. I'd expect to venture into the 14s now quite easily.
When I get a chance I'll scan the dyno sheet and post it up.
I can't believe I've been running it like this for 6 months like a pig! What a f**k!!!!
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| Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 12:49 am Post subject: |
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| BOTTLEDUP wrote: | The TFS heads do come with a 2.02" intake valve, the ability to run this with standard pistons comes from the rotated valve position rather than a 'higher' chamber.
There is a limit to how large a cam you can run, which is mentioned on TFS's website.
| Scaffy wrote: | | EBXR8380 wrote: | The nice part about TFS Trick flow heads is the 2.02 valve can be used.. The chambers are higher .. A blower would make them breath real heavy...Keep fly wheel power around 400 h.p....
Unless you find an early 302 block...
400 h.p and safe tune, you'll be fine!!! |
Excuse my ignorance and possible dumbness , but does this mean I would be able to go a bigger cam without having to worry about valves and pistons trying to push through each other? Or am I way off the mark? |
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Hence the name; "Twisted Wedge". |
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| Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 8:14 pm Post subject: |
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Here are the dyno sheets. Don't have scanner so had to take pics  |
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| Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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| 157 or so rwkw not a bad starting point for the upgrades. |
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