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Mako
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 Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 3:17 pm Post subject: Re: Tricking sensors... |
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| Hyena wrote: | As per the megasquirt thread, I'm looking at getting one of those but I'm also keen if trying to trick other sensors in the car for the time being.
The jaycar kit fuel adjuster kit apparently doesn't work with the I6s because of MAP sensors rather than MAFs (and analog/digital) which is unfortunate because they sound really cool for the money 
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oh and the jaycar site says it will work with map sensors???
It can be used on 0-5V and 0-12V signals, so it is compatible with all voltage output airflow meters and MAP sensors
edit oh ahhh is it the "voltage output" that kills us  |
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Hyena
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| Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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| 4.9 EF Futura wrote: | | Let us know how you go, post a pic of the graph if possible.... I think we're all pretty keen to see how your machine goes!!! |
No one is keener than I 
Unfortunately I didn't get to dyno it this arvo so it looks like I'll have a time slip before a dyno chart. I'm heading out to WSID on wednesday night so I'll post up my time slips thursday morning.
edit: dyno is late wednesday arvo now back to back with WSID!
I know what you mean about real world readings, but the heat soak from driving around in start stop traffic on a hot day makes it run worse than otherwise. I'd like a decent peak figure on paper, but at the end of the day its the time slip that counts. That said, performance will be affected just the same, altho I should get a cooler run in later in the night. |
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Hyena
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| Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2005 9:04 am Post subject: |
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They wouldn't let me race at WSID as per my comments in the events thead as the place packed out in an hour 
I did get the dynoing done though (which is why I was late) but that revealed good and bad results.
Assuming that the ECU switches to these lean/rich maps pretty quickly, the device I made didn't have any effect. I did a runs straight, and then one with it "overheating" and theortically lean and and change the curve or the air/fuel ratio enough to notice no paper.
I have other dyno dramas to sort out now, but that's for another thread! |
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Lukieman
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| Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 5:58 am Post subject: |
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I think most people have thought about tricking the sensors, but Im assuming FORD put in multiple sensors to maintain optimum performance. Remember, it was built to adhere to strict exhaust gas emmision regulations as well as produce power.
You run the car rich from the COOLANT sensor, the O2 signal is gonna report running rich and adjust... adjust the ACT signal, is going to have the same effect...
The only one I think would work a little is the O2 sensor.. mine was kinda shot, so it thought it was running lean - which made her run rich. But the ECU knew the sensor was not operating corrctly and may have compensated for it, wether it does this for all the sensors and how it adjusts to compensate I dont know...
You gotta remember, most of these sensors basically adjust the ECUs Pulse Width of the injectors... is that all your trying to do?? Pull off the hose to the MAP then clog it... run it as rich as you want then... lol 
Look at this quote from a Gregorys:
"Adaptive strategy is employed on the EEC-IV system. This feature adapts the system to changing conditions due to engine wear ect and may compensate for certain malfunctions within the system. The operator of the vehicle may not be aware of any problems as the vehicle operation may not be affected to a disceernible degree."
An engines power comes from 2 basic things... Air + Fuel = Power
The only thing that I think will work with these engines are physical mechanical differences... flow more dense cold air, inject more fuel. The ECU fine tunes it... wether it be stock or aftermarket. |
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