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Lukeyson
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| Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 11:33 am Post subject: |
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So guy's, after reading this novel i have one question to ask... i currently have in my hot little hand a Auto Enginuity Scantool connector and am wanting a program that i can use on my pda which might have a swanky display for the Premium ICC.
Idea's anyone....
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| Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 12:18 pm Post subject: |
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Nope. I know nothing about it.
I would have said PCMScan, but that's not a PDA app, nor do I think, does it support your tool. I notice that Brian has a new utility called ScanXL which can be used with either an ELM327 or a J2534 device to do Ford Enhanced diagnostics.
I'll have to defer advice Re: your questiopn to someone else for this one.
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| Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 10:43 pm Post subject: Rookie question.... |
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Hi - I have been reading this interesting thread - I own a 1999 Ford Focus 1,6 L (Europe model) and I cant decide which of following pieces of hardware I should choose:
ELMSCAN 5 (wireless)
http://www.scantool.net/products/product_info.php?cPath=8_6&products_id=37
OBDKEY (Wireless)
http://www.obdkey.com/obd_bluetooth_info.asp
OBD-DIAG(USB)
http://www.kds-online.com/Shop6a/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/21_86_353/products_id/2182
What am I going to use it for?
Good question  To diagnose the Focus, clear codes - fun in the garage....
After reading this thread I got a little exited about doing ECU Flash.... But I can see that the Mongoose is over my budget (read: My wife would kill me - the above options will only lead to a mild spanking  ) so possibility to flash will be an nice to have if included.
I think I read somewhere that it could be possible with the OBDKEY - however I am not technically capable of seeing if that is correct.
First I was only looking at the ELMSCAN 5 - but it seems that it will not support VAG - And I would like to have that option in future - and to get the most future-proof device.
Any of you guys who can help me decide......????
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| Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 11:25 am Post subject: |
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| Hmm I'm liking the elmscan 5 wireless option along with the DashCommand software found at palmerperformance.com. that will hopefully give a nice little display on the ICC thru my carputer... customised of course |
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| Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 12:50 pm Post subject: |
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Hey Cool. I discovered the triggers for the KOEO and KOER running tests the other day.
If you have a BA Workshop Manual, I'm talking about the On Demand tests on page 303-14-67.
Of the 7, I have the complete tests for KOEO (02), KOER(82), the manual lists the OTM as number 84 - which makes sense given the Diag routines I discovered for the first two - but I haven't yet figured out how to set one of the four states (all on, all off, fans on, fans off).
I thought I had access to the Ignition Timing Test - but software issues have locked me out.
But I can't yet access the Throttle Test or Cylinder Contribution Test. I might have access to the LPG test but I have to hook up to an eGas car again to know for sure.
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| Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 11:18 am Post subject: |
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Well i just bought ScanXL and their ELM USB scantool from palmerperformance.... $250 all up, lets see what happens  |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 12:15 pm Post subject: |
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The 'Throttle Test' looks like an error. No other reference to it anywhere. I shall ignore.
Cylinder Contribution Test is actually called the 'Power Balance' test. I might see if can run that soon.
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| Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 12:16 pm Post subject: |
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With the ScanXL tool, to get access to the Ford Enhanced data there's another component you need to licence.
But you're on the right track I reckon!
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Some info on the PCM codes used in BA to FG (ne BG) Fords. You can find these ABU/ASU numbers written on the side of your PCM.
ABU is BlackOak ECU (MCP555 based, 1472k Flash)
ASU is Spanish Oak ECU (MCP565 based, 1024k Flash)
APS is ??? maybe a development of Spanish Oak, not sure yet. This is the FG (ne BG) PCM.
ABU-211 Petrol NA I6 MY03
ABU-212 Petrol NA I6 MY03 4 Speed Auto
ABU-213 LPG NA I6 MY03
ABU-214 Petrol Turbo I6 MY03
ABU-221 Petrol NA V8 MY03 4 Speed Auto
ABU-241 Petrol NA I6 MY03
ABU-242 Petrol NA I6 MY03 4 Speed Auto
ABU-243 LPG NA I6 MY03 4 Speed Auto
ABU-244 Petrol Turbo I6 MY03
ABU-245 Petrol NA I6 MY03
ABU-251 Petrol NA V8 MY03 Manual or 4 Speed?
ABU-252 Petrol NA V8 MY03 Brolga
ASU-111 Petrol NA I6 MY06 6A, 5M
ASU-112 Petrol NA I6 MY06 4A
ASU-113 LPG NA I6 MY06 4A
ASU-114 Petrol Turbo I6 MY06 6A, 6M
ASU-121 Petrol NA V8 MY06 6A, 6M
ASU-122 Petrol NA V8 MY06 4A
ASU-131 Petrol NA I6 MY06 6A, M5
ASU-132 Petrol NA I6 MY06 4A
ASU-133 LPG NA I6 MY06 4A
ASU-134 Petrol Turbo I6 MY06 6A, 6M
ASU-141 Petrol NA V8 MY06 6A, 6M
ASU-142 Petrol NA V8 MY06 4A
ASU-151 Petrol NA I6 MY06 6A, 5M
ASU-152 Petrol NA I6 MY06 4A
ASU-153 LPG NA I6 MY06 4A
ASU-154 Petrol Turbo I6 MY06 6A, 5M
ASU-161 Petrol NA V8 MY06 6A, 6M
ASU-162 Petrol NA V8 MY06 4A
ASU-171 Petrol NA I6 MY06 6A, 5M
ASU-172 Petrol NA I6 MY06 4A
ASU-173 LPG NA I6 MY06 4A
ASU-174 Petrol Turbo I6 MY06 6A, 6M
ASU-181 Petrol NA V8 MY06 6A, 6M
ASU-182 Petrol NA V8 MY06 4A
ASU-221 Petrol NA I6 MY06 6A, 5M
ASU-222 Petrol NA I6 MY06 4A
ASU-223 LPG NA I6 MY06 4A
ASU-224 Petrol Turbo I6 MY06 6A, 6M
ASU-243 LPG NA I6 MY08 4A
APS-151 Petrol NA I6 MY08 Single Fan, 6 Spd Man/Auto
APS-152 Petrol NA I6 MY08 Dual Fan, 5 Speed Auto
APS-154 Petrol Turbo I6 MY08
APS-161 Petrol NA V8 MY08 Dual Fan
APS-162 Petrol NA V8 MY08 FPV
APS-221 Petrol NA V8 MY08
APS-222 Petrol NA V8 MY08 FPV
APS-231 Petrol NA I6 MY08 Single Fan, 6 Spd Man/Auto
APS-232 Petrol NA I6 MY08 Dual Fan, 5 Speed Auto
APS-234 Petrol Turbo I6 MY08 6 Speed man/Auto
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Sorry, took me awhile to get back to this. Just FYI what some other stuff means:
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OK
>atcf700
OK
>atcmf00
OK
>2100
728 05 61 00 00 AE 41 00 00
matches my current odo 44609
>2101
728 10 2C 61 01 32 E1 01 09
728 21 01 49 01 86 01 C4 01
728 22 F7 02 14 02 5D 02 82
728 23 02 A5 02 AF 00 00 11
728 24 94 21 34 32 C8 42 68
728 25 4E 20 5D C0 69 78 77
728 26 24 84 D0 00 00 00 00
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We haven't worked this all out yet, but the data matches a typical 'Petrol Sedan' IC Table.
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>2102
728 03 61 02 00 00 00 00 00
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No Police Offset.... (for fine tuning the Digital Speed Readout in Police Mode)
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728 04 61 03 07 0C 00 00 00
still have police mode on
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You certainly do. And you have ABS and Brakefail via CAN turned on, so obviously have a Bosch 8.0 Module. But interestingly you don't have DSC, just TCM. The bit that we suspect does shift-alert is 0 on yours. Awesome. So far it's mapping up.
However, even with that bit set, only certain 'versions' or 'part prefixes' seem to do the alert. I've tried a BAXR8 and a BFXR6T and those two don't do it.
It would be interesting to change the Shift Alert bit on yours to see if you can trigger it in sports-shift mode on your car.... (MSN me if you're keen to give it a try.)
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>22e200
728 06 62 E2 00 51 12 69 00
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Module has firmware version 5, dated (12/1/05)
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728 07 62 E2 17 01 00 08 49
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Module Part# is a '10849' - Instrument Cluster.
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>22e219
728 05 62 E2 19 0E 00 00 00
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Part Prefix is 'HA' which is from a GT-P
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728 07 62 E2 1A 35 52 32 39
= 5R29 a BF part number
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Sure is
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728 07 62 E2 31 60 71 81 61
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Serial NUmber is 60718161 - this should also be written on a sticker on the module somewhere (you have to pull it out to see it.)
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728 04 62 02 00 00 00 00 00
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From mine, BF GT-P ZF6 auto, no shift alert. |
NO DTC's for you mate.
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| Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 11:38 pm Post subject: |
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I have a RTV and my PCM says its a ASU 153, but its a Petrol 4A??.One off topic is i noticed there are two types of exhausts for the utes and i have worked out i have the LPG type fitted.
ASU 153
PCM-122
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Hmm. That's hard to integrate.
If you have a look at the PCM codes, anything that ends with a 3 is LPG, so it's consistent - even the FG PCM.
The LPG and XR6T PCM's actually have 3 connectors in use. The remaining I6 and V8 PCM's only use 2 x Connectors. It would be curious to see if your 3rd connector has pins or is blank.
But getting the PCM involves cutting a slot in the screws that hold it in, and can perhaps be a bit more effort than it's worth just to see pins.
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I got a pcm cover so i got the factory screws removed.I have the 3 connectors which all are wired into, depends on which end off the row of connectors you are talking about? the connector closest to the front, is where the shift kit was wired into etc.,
My RTV had been slotted into a 01/06 build by the dealer for their stock when i walked in the door wanting to buy.So they changed the build etc., to suit me.It was going to be white but was done lighting strike for me. Wonder if thats how things get upset?
The diff lock is PCM operated etc., so may require more outputs??? |
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Actually, you're right. I found the following Brolga (RTV) PCM codes for the BF:
ASU-113, ASU-133, ASU-153, ASU-173 - and these are listed as Petrol I6 NA. The others with this PCM code are listed as 'Alternate Fuel'.
BA Brolga's used the ABU-252 and ABU-245.
So that's curious eh? I didn't notice that before.
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| Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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You certainly do. And you have ABS and Brakefail via CAN turned on, so obviously have a Bosch 8.0 Module. But interestingly you don't have DSC, just TCM. The bit that we suspect does shift-alert is 0 on yours. Awesome. So far it's mapping up.
However, even with that bit set, only certain 'versions' or 'part prefixes' seem to do the alert. I've tried a BAXR8 and a BFXR6T and those two don't do it.
It would be interesting to change the Shift Alert bit on yours to see if you can trigger it in sports-shift mode on your car.... (MSN me if you're keen to give it a try.)
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Yeah FPV's didn't get DSC (they said it was too expensive to do up new calibrations for 18" and 19" wheels with 4 and 6 pot brakes). FG FPV's will get DSC.
So what bit (command) do I need to run to tun the shift alert on. Will give it a try. |
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Datamine has confirmed that we have found the Shift Alert bit. It's the one we've been suspecting all along - bit 11.
However, we don't know where the actual RPM value that triggers the Alert is stored.
And it doesn't appear to work on anything other than an FPV cluster.
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Having had it for a few days now. It seems the actual noise is coming from the ICC (like the various beeps from the trip computer, e.g. fuel low)
So maybe having the right ICC is required (all BF FPV's get the premium ICC) as well as enabling the cluster to send the 'trigger'. |
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Coming from the ICC? You mean the main speakers?
I don't think there's a speaker in the ICC at all. Just in the cluster, in the main body connected to the ICC, and in the Park Aid Module.
I take it you've been revving the bung hole out of your car since the other day just to hear the alert right?
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Between the induction noise up front and the exhaust note out back, the little chime noise doesn't stand a chance. Plus with those two, I don't need any other excuses.
Literally, it's too quite for WOT acceleration.
As far as I can tell it's not coming from the speakers - impossible in my car, the ICC is complete disconnected stereo wise (full after market job thank you). The sound definitely sounds like it's coming from the ICC.
I'll keep listening for it, see if I can confirm. |
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