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| TROYMAN wrote: | the dizzys from ea mpfi to el are the same.
and if your using the el ecu your base ignition timing is 0 deg btdc.
if you are using the xg ecu forget what i said as the xg should be 10 deg btdc |
Thanks a lot, that's all handy to know.
Shame i don't have a timing light to know what the EL timing was and what it now is. All i know is i turned the dizzy counter-clockwise and by my impression this has retarded the timing. If it was 0 deg btdc, then it may now be 5 degrees after tdc!? Maybe i need to do that to counter the higher compression? Anyway, i need to get the LPG tuned so i may find out then.
The motor runs so well now, though after some heavy acceleration testing the fuel needle has dropped a lot, but too hard to know really at this stage. |
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| Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 9:13 pm Post subject: Re: EL into XG info |
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| Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 11:28 pm Post subject: |
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| relaxed_diplomacy wrote: | | The motor runs so well now, though after some heavy acceleration testing the fuel needle has dropped a lot, but too hard to know really at this stage. |
Went for a drive and the fuel needle dropped at least 10 times more quickly than normal, even when switched to LPG, and couldn't find any leaks or petrol smells!? I disconnected the fuel pump power, drove home and reconnected, and the guage seemed to have dropped further!? Maybe the guage is not reading correctly, or is it possible the injectors are leaking badly? The fuel rail may have got contaminated with dust during engine swap process. |
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and it runs ok?
fill the tank, drive for say 50ks and refill at the same pump... will tell you exactly how much its using... |
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| zxhoon wrote: | and it runs ok?
fill the tank, drive for say 50ks and refill at the same pump... will tell you exactly how much its using... |
Somehow the needle partly resurrected itself, rather than use about 30L to travel about 30km, it now says i used about 15L, . . got me. Yes, good idea, i'll do a consumption check, but seems i can wait till the final tune is done.
I played with the dizzy again and it now seems clockwise retards, i guess i still make simple mistakes. The last adjustment saw it lose power, yet still has top end ping and runs too warm, but sorting some smaller issues might resolve this (i.e. 100% PULP, proper sized exhaust gasket, plugs, maybe leads).
[EDIT 20/03/08 - I have just found out it is important to do the engine "self-test" mode when adjusting the dizzy. I wasn't doing this.]
Would be nice if the timing was a full moment-by-moment self-adjusting closed-loop, but don't know if that's even possible at the moment.
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| Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 9:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Can a dizzy and an earlier inlet manifold be fitted to the barra? I have read something somewhere about oval shaped ports. |
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| Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 10:01 pm Post subject: |
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| No dizzy cause theres nowhere to put it and nothing to drive it, and yeah ports are oval. |
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| Steady ED wrote: | | No dizzy cause theres nowhere to put it and nothing to drive it, and yeah ports are oval. |
Thanks. Shame, if you could fit a dizzy i'm thinking you could use a barra kind of easily and cheaply. I imagine you need an appropriate ecu to run the coil packs, no other way? |
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| Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 4:31 pm Post subject: |
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| relaxed_diplomacy wrote: | | Steady ED wrote: | | No dizzy cause theres nowhere to put it and nothing to drive it, and yeah ports are oval. |
Thanks. Shame, if you could fit a dizzy i'm thinking you could use a barra kind of easily and cheaply. I imagine you need an appropriate ecu to run the coil packs, no other way? |
At the moment, the only ECU's that will run the Barra engines is the factory Black Oak which can be manipulated to work in a non factory engine conversion, and the aftermarket MoTec M800. |
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Stepping back to my EL in XG, i have just heard that i need to do the "self test" mode when changing the timing to let the ECU know. I wasn't doing this previously because i'm not using a timing light.
At first startup, when i ran the vehicle with the EL timing unchanged, there was pinging at the top end (full throttle, uphill, hot day), and it ran hot. Should i have kept driving and it would have sorted itself out?
If i don't adjust the timing myself, and the problems don't go away, what then?
With XG base timing of 10degBTDC and EL 0degBTDC, if i really should "set and forget", what should i run? Keeping in mind the EL motor is down a knock sensor, i think.
My preference would be to set it up as best for LPG as possible, but so i can at least do light running on PULP. |
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My first suggestion is to get a timing light. Approx 4 degrees btdc seems to be the best LPG/PULP setup on ELs.
When in the self test mode, after a while, you'll notice the timing will retard (you'll hear it), this is when you need to correct it.
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| Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 9:39 am Post subject: |
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The AU engine/crank has larger main bearing journals than E series, although some EL engines also have the larger bearing. All use the same big-end bearing size.
E-series sumps wont fit AU blocks, as the AU's have a cross bolted main cap that bolts thru the side of the sump. You can fit the Au sump into an E-series chassis with a bit of trimming. Look for the info here somewhere. |
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| Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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| I just thought i'd let everyone know that my EL long bare motor is now running very well in my XG. Using PULP, no ping, good power, not running hot, starts easy, runs smooth, good economy. I haven't done many kays, but it's looking like a success. |
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i want to update the engine in my EB I 3.9L to the fuel injected 4.0L
I live in Adelaide, is there any where that can do an outright swap of the engines?
Who do you recommend, and what would be the costs involved.
Thanks
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| Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 11:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Does anyone know if you can put an au engine into an xg by modifying the sump as shown previously. of does that only work for the later model ef,el's. |
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No, with the AU oil pan, you will need to modify the k-member for clearance. The AU will fit in all E- series with some grinding on the pan.  |
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Will an ed head bolt upto an au bottom end? I have a good head, rocker cover, cam and crane valvesprings i want to keep but my bottom end is shot. Will an Au bottom end fit straight up??? Also where do i get a modified sump from?
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| sooty72 wrote: | | No, with the AU oil pan, you will need to modify the k-member for clearance. The AU will fit in all E- series with some grinding on the pan. |
so with a combination of both it will fit? i was trying to avoid modifying the k-member |
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| sooty72 wrote: | | No, with the AU oil pan, you will need to modify the k-member for clearance. The AU will fit in all E- series with some grinding on the pan. |
so with a combination of both it will fit? i was trying to avoid modifying the k-member |
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| sooty72 wrote: | | No, with the AU oil pan, you will need to modify the k-member for clearance. The AU will fit in all E- series with some grinding on the pan. |
so with a combination of both it will fit? i was trying to avoid modifying the k-member |
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