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auII what would i be looking at price wise + hp gain
at this time im looking at sc over tc
just wanting to compare bang for buck
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| Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 9:30 pm Post subject: FAQ |
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Answering Marks Post
Hey Tim,
Just wondering if you could describe in more detail more aspects of the Raptor V design in comparison to the Powerdyne or Vortech, namely:
1. The type of internal drive ...GEAR or BELT? BELT
2. The internal drive cooling ...SEALED OIL and / or AIR? Pressurised air
3. The bearings? High speed - Ceramic hybrid, low speed - conventional C3 steel ball
4. The impeller design / construction itself? Impeller design is superback cast alloy - safe working speed of 80 000k rpm +
5. The various pulley size / psi combo's available? 2 sizes. 64mm (9 - 10psi) and 61mm (11 - 12psi)
6. The rpm at which boost eases in (and approx psi) and the rpm at which full boost (with approx psi) is reached? Same for all 6 cyl kits we do, will be around 3psi at 3000rpm and reach rated psi at 5900rpm. Pressure rise is same for all brands of centrifugal chargers as pressure is a function of impeller rpm - so long as the charger is pumping sufficient volume.
Also, with the BA XR6T injectors you are supplying ...do you foresee a possible need for a larger fuel pump? This has not been the case so far, but dodgy pumps will fall over quite quickly. Good condition stock pumps certainly hold up to 200rwkw fine.
Do you also think that the Ford stock fuel pressure regulators (270-300 kPa) will cope OK? This will depend on model of car, lots of options for AU - BF owners, as for EL - EF ...... you will probably know better than I do right at this moment.
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| Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 12:04 am Post subject: |
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| will u look at doing a supercharger for the windsors or boss's? or u just staying with the sixes? |
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| Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 12:20 am Post subject: |
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Hey Tim,
Just elaborating on your responses as per in YELLOW below:
1. The type of internal drive ...GEAR or BELT? BELT ...have you witnessed any problems with the belt drive arrangement? Just that some people will swear that a gear drive is a better, more reliable option.
2. The internal drive cooling ...SEALED OIL and / or AIR? Pressurised air ...how is the pressurised air cooling achieved? How does it compare reliability-wise to Sealed Oil?
3. The bearings? High speed - Ceramic hybrid, low speed - conventional C3 steel ball ...so what speeds do you mean for each option? Are you saying Ceramic for the high speed 11-12 psi pulley, and C3 steel ball for the Standard 10 psi blower?
4. The impeller design / construction itself? Impeller design is superback cast alloy - safe working speed of 80 000k rpm +
5. The various pulley size / psi combo's available? 2 sizes. 64mm (9 - 10psi) and 61mm (11 - 12psi) ...are these the available pulley sizes for the Raptor V? I take it the 11-12 psi pulley is not a warranted option?
6. The rpm at which boost eases in (and approx psi) and the rpm at which full boost (with approx psi) is reached? Same for all 6 cyl kits we do, will be around 3psi at 3000rpm and reach rated psi at 5900rpm. Pressure rise is same for all brands of centrifugal chargers as pressure is a function of impeller rpm - so long as the charger is pumping sufficient volume.
Also, with the BA XR6T injectors you are supplying ...do you foresee a possible need for a larger fuel pump? This has not been the case so far, but dodgy pumps will fall over quite quickly. Good condition stock pumps certainly hold up to 200rwkw fine. ...haha, sounds like a larger fuel pump is a good idea.
Do you also think that the Ford stock fuel pressure regulators (270-300 kPa) will cope OK? This will depend on model of car, lots of options for AU - BF owners, as for EL - EF ...... you will probably know better than I do right at this moment. ...what have your Holden customers experienced so far in this respect? Have any of them had to change to a different regulator, and what have they used?
Sorry about the extra questions Tim ...it all helps us Ford boys get a handle on your product.
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| falkoon wrote: | auII what would i be looking at price wise + hp gain
at this time im looking at sc over tc
just wanting to compare bang for buck
cheers |
From what I remember, Tim said you can safely add 60-70 rwkw (80-93 rwhp) to what you're running now ...maybe more on a high efficiency engine.
He has had a stock standard AU VCT go from 127 rwkw up to 197 rwkw with a basic kit and chip edit.
Price ballpark I believe is about $4500-$4700 for the complete kit ...but Tim will have to confirm this, and the above. |
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| Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 7:41 am Post subject: |
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| markr154 wrote: | Hey Tim,
Just elaborating on your responses as per in YELLOW below:
1. The type of internal drive ...GEAR or BELT? BELT ...have you witnessed any problems with the belt drive arrangement? Just that some people will swear that a gear drive is a better, more reliable option.. Gear or belt, belt has a service life just like a timing belt on car, 70 000km can be achieved and the more brutal drivers will achieve less. When belt does die it does not stop the car, you fix it when you can. Are gear drives more reliable, well we stock and supply parts for them also, they can and do still fail ........ it just just costs a LOT more to fix. The belt has a lot of advantages and eventual replacement is to be expected. The belt drive reliability issue stems from a brand in the market place before us which had poor assembly, improper matching to application and partrs sometimes lower than useful quality. That particular brand of charger is actually quite ok, after we rebuild them they go much better than previous.
2. The internal drive cooling ...SEALED OIL and / or AIR? Pressurised air ...how is the pressurised air cooling achieved? How does it compare reliability-wise to Sealed Oil? The air is pressurised by a 12V powered fan unit which fits in behind number plate or similar location to provide cool air to charger transmission.
3. The bearings? High speed - Ceramic hybrid, low speed - conventional C3 steel ball ...so what speeds do you mean for each option? Are you saying Ceramic for the high speed 11-12 psi pulley, and C3 steel ball for the Standard 10 psi blower? The charger always has ceramic high speed bearings and steel ball low speed, this is standard on every Raptor V supercharger.
4. The impeller design / construction itself? Impeller design is superback cast alloy - safe working speed of 80 000k rpm +
5. The various pulley size / psi combo's available? 2 sizes. 64mm (9 - 10psi) and 61mm (11 - 12psi) ...are these the available pulley sizes for the Raptor V? I take it the 11-12 psi pulley is not a warranted option? Both these sizes are available in the Ford kits, we are considering warranting the 11psi pulley in the future as there has been no failures within a reasonable time span at this pressure.
6. The rpm at which boost eases in (and approx psi) and the rpm at which full boost (with approx psi) is reached? Same for all 6 cyl kits we do, will be around 3psi at 3000rpm and reach rated psi at 5900rpm. Pressure rise is same for all brands of centrifugal chargers as pressure is a function of impeller rpm - so long as the charger is pumping sufficient volume.
Also, with the BA XR6T injectors you are supplying ...do you foresee a possible need for a larger fuel pump? This has not been the case so far, but dodgy pumps will fall over quite quickly. Good condition stock pumps certainly hold up to 200rwkw fine. ...haha, sounds like a larger fuel pump is a good idea. Anyone with Dev 3-5 kit parts who is adding the blower kit would be best to install a better fuel pump as they will achieve more than the rated power of the kit.
Do you also think that the Ford stock fuel pressure regulators (270-300 kPa) will cope OK? This will depend on model of car, lots of options for AU - BF owners, as for EL - EF ...... you will probably know better than I do right at this moment. ...what have your Holden customers experienced so far in this respect? Have any of them had to change to a different regulator, and what have they used? The trick here is to tune to the regulator fitted to the car, so its a case of fit the bigger injectors and then adjust the tune to give correct fuel enrichment at the rail pressure the stock reg allows. Then it is always correct, what we have always done with the H's both 6 & 8 cyl.
Sorry about the extra questions Tim ...it all helps us Ford boys get a handle on your product.
Cheers. |
Consumers are finding the BA kit a drama free option already, comes complete, bolts right on, has a decent tune and produces the kw it is meant to. The rest of the Ford kits will be the same, just give me a bit longer  |
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| Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 7:42 am Post subject: BOSS KIT |
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| 3x-puursui7 wrote: | | will u look at doing a supercharger for the windsors or boss's? or u just staying with the sixes? |
The BOSS is planned, it is dependant on when the Raptor R is completed and ready to go, a BOSS kit will follow pretty soon after. Do you want me to start a thread about it |
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| Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 12:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Raptorsc wrote: | | 3. The bearings? High speed - Ceramic hybrid, low speed - conventional C3 steel ball ...so what speeds do you mean for each option? Are you saying Ceramic for the high speed 11-12 psi pulley, and C3 steel ball for the Standard 10 psi blower? The charger always has ceramic high speed bearings and steel ball low speed, this is standard on every Raptor V supercharger. |
You guys are at cross-purposes here... I think the "low-speed" bearings might be the input shaft and the "high-speed" ones might be the impellor shaft? Could you clarify this please Tim? |
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| Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 1:06 pm Post subject: Speeds |
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Yes the ceramics are always on the high speed shaft and the steel C3 are always on the input or slow speed shaft |
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| Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 1:19 pm Post subject: |
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| This thread is already becoming very informative ...cheers guys! |
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| Would a 190k engine be alright for a supercharger? it's serviced every 5k and runs great, i havn't really read to much about superchargers but i heard they put a bit of stress on the engine, is that true? |
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| Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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| I have a 330,000km AU engine which will be getting force-fed soon. I did a compression test which showed all 6 at 220-225psi, against a spec of 150psi minimum. Yes forced induction will make your motor wear faster, but remember that these engines can do 400-500,000km before needing major rebuild work, compared to many other engines that are clapped-out after 200,000km. A compression test (and leak-down test) will give you a good idea of the condition of your engine. |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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Hey Tim,
Just referring to one of your responses...
"6. The rpm at which boost eases in (and approx psi) and the rpm at which full boost (with approx psi) is reached?
Same for all 6 cyl kits we do, will be around 3psi at 3000rpm and reach rated psi at 5900rpm. Pressure rise is same for all brands of centrifugal chargers as pressure is a function of impeller rpm - so long as the charger is pumping sufficient volume"
My car produces it's maximum of 161 rwkw at 5400 rpm with the DEV 5 cam ...and power then eases off from there. My rev limiter is set at 6250 rpm.
Here's the dyno..
I normally shift at the 5400-5500 rpm point down the quarter.
Would I be right in assuming that the Raptor V would NOT be hitting rated boost at 5400 rpm?
In that case ...should I be going for the 11-12 psi pulley to make sure I am at least forcing close to 10 psi at the 5400 rpm shift point?
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| Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 3:16 pm Post subject: |
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Yes but lets say you did a burn out and it went above the revs you would use there for youd get even more boost and possibly destroy something.
Im getting over 8psi @5500rpm
i got the 10psi pulley, but because my maf is only 2inches im guessing im losing boost because of that.
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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| RAPTOR_XR8 wrote: | but because my maf is only 2inches im guessing im losing boost because of that.
Brad |
Is that what you call it? lol |
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| I could see why she's losing the umph, not enough boost from that 2" size maf! lol |
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Well aparently you get atleast another pound with a 76mm maf and not only that think about how much air is actually getting sucked thru it.
With a 90mm maf and 90mm piping to the blower only then will it be an effiecent setup, as is with my crappy piping of wow3'' and suckin thru that small maf its no wonder it isnt going faster than it should.
Its all about not making it harder for the blower to compress the air.
In saying that the power isnt the problem, the problem with my cars is somthing much more.... first off a dying fuel pump....my maf wiring...much much more.
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I've been quite interested in these kits for a while now, and I might not be able to afford one for say, at least another six months I'd just like to ask some questions.
I have a BA XT
The superchargers used look very small, and comparatively (to the Vortech V2's) it looks like you run a fair amount of boost on many of the cars you do, even when the engines are standard.
Is the extra pressure making up for lack of volume? I'm not exactly sure how it works, so excuse me if it's a stupid question.
Also, if you provide your own flash tuner is it cheaper to buy the kit? |
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Oh damn, also have you done any air to air intercooled setup's on a ba? I can imagine it wouldn't be too difficult if the outlet from the supercharger wasn't in that direction.
The piping length is going to be pretty long either way. |
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| Nice questions here, really busy this moment but by jove I will be back here later |
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