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fiftyone
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| Wade Cams wrote: | | GeZza200 wrote: | | Anymore progress with the AU/Hybrid cams? or are you not going to go forward with those? |
We've come to the conclusion that any hybrid engine that's running an "E" series ECU should be capable of being modified, without any problems.
If an engine is running an "AU" type ECU, we can't do anything with any degree of certainty. |
So effectively you need a EL pre 2-98 to run in the hybrid motor? what makes it so the AU ecu can't run it?
What do you include in the sale? The vernier gear? Shims?
And are you actually making a viable cam for the motor? |
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sorry forgot to add. im looking to improve the low end / low to mid.
thats the 1636? |
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An equiv. to the E series 1636 profile will provide low to mid range performance. We've a done a few, and from all accounts, they've been quite successful.
I'm not an expert on ECU's, but, I would assume that the "AU" ECU is more complex than the "E" series. When we first starting testing cams for the AU's we found that the engine would simply go into "limp mode". The ECU didn't seem to have the ability to "adapt" to the change in cam specs.
The AU cams are supplied in the same format as the E series, i.e. cam only, whether it be a customer supplied cam or an exchange. We can supply vernier gears on request. Shims can be procurred from your local Ford dealer. |
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| Wade Cams wrote: | An equiv. to the E series 1636 profile will provide low to mid range performance. We've a done a few, and from all accounts, they've been quite successful.
I'm not an expert on ECU's, but, I would assume that the "AU" ECU is more complex than the "E" series. When we first starting testing cams for the AU's we found that the engine would simply go into "limp mode". The ECU didn't seem to have the ability to "adapt" to the change in cam specs.
The AU cams are supplied in the same format as the E series, i.e. cam only, whether it be a customer supplied cam or an exchange. We can supply vernier gears on request. Shims can be procurred from your local Ford dealer. |
ok, so the vernier stuff is an op extra? the hybrid engine doesnt seem to run an au ecu (from what i can tell) its still a e series.
so with an pre feb el ecu and an equivalent 1636 cam, i'll be right as rain?
(sorry about the double checking and stupid questions, just trying to get my head around it all) |
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After turbo cam for AU C4 auto 3000 converter
T04Z turbo.. 15 to 20Lb after some valve springs also... Want good idle quality...
Std pistons, head.. |
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Had a 977b done with 110 lobe angle instead of 112 as listed, and thought i'd leave some feedback
Firstly i will say that it feels alot stronger throughout all the revs compared to the stock cam
After talking to Keith and reading up on tightening up lobe angles the general idea was the cam's power curve would build up earlier and more sudden in the rev range and peak out quicker.
Whilst the power does come on strong, but in my car the power curve is high up in the rev range instead of mid range which is unusual. The car feels fairly strong up until 3800rpm, power then comes on suddenly and keeps building fast where it peaks at 4300rpm and holds that power all the way to the redline
Dunno what it is about my car, but all the cams i put in it doesnt affect idle quality at all, i know its not a big cam compared to others in the market, but many people say the 977b has a rough idle, and ive tightened up the lobes which was supposed to make it even rougher, but it idles very smooth still...... although the sound is deeper and louder, and has less drone and more of a growl when hard on the throttle
[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7sQzFT3AGo"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7sQzFT3AGo[/url]
Is it better than the normal 977b?.... i dunno?, but it sure is alot of fun having the power come on sorta like boost  |
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Ok the ecu has had a chance to adjust to the new cam, and it is a big improvement over the standard 977b at 112ls.
I recommend this grind to anyone running a manual, but your also gonna need shorter diff gears to get the revs up to the power curve quicker, but this cam will pull hard all the way to the redline |
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Ok then sounds good, how does it compare to a 1673??I have a manual xr6 so the gearing should be ok. Any dyno results??? A.F.R. readings??? Might look at this for an option on mine  154rwkwts isn't enough any more  !!!! |
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no havnt had this one dyno'd, but check the pic in my gallery that was with a standard 977b, and dyno tuned chip.
Having tried and been happy with both, I can honestly say the 977b done with 110 lobe separation feels alot better than the standard LS they have listed.
Im running a manual and 3.7 diff so it doesnt take long to get the revs where they need to be, but i could imagine it would be a pig with an auto, or a tall diff ratio |
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Just curious, but on your dyno sheet it says that it was done in 3rd gear??
I was under the impression that power runs should be done in a gear that gives 1-1 ratio (4th gear in a T-5 and 3rd in a 4spd auto)as gearing plays a big role in dyno readout. What other mods have you had done?? |
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apologies if this has come up in the last 2-3 months...
But have you boys done anything with BA BF lately... I know nothing had been done middle of last year, just thought I'd run a check up... |
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| Munch wrote: | apologies if this has come up in the last 2-3 months...
But have you boys done anything with BA BF lately... I know nothing had been done middle of last year, just thought I'd run a check up... |
Afraid not Munchy. Unfortunately, it's still a "work in progress". I know other suppliers are having a measure of success with their cams but we're still having technical issues. We'll get there. |
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| Hi i have a EL 4.0 and have just bought a turbo for it and ive just been told that the turbo wont spool untill about 4500 rpm.. just wondering which of your cams push out the most air as i will need it to spool abit earlier..any help would be great. |
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just after some advice, have and EA with minimal mods (intake, 2.5 zorst..).. manual, MPFI
what cam to get? im not chasing maximum kw figures at 5500 rpm, i just want something for street use, so i guess i'd like it to come on at around 2500 or so rpm rather than peaking at 6k.
I've read that the 1004 at 112 can be used on manuals despite your site saying auto, this seems like the goods for me.
Any advice appreciated. |
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| mustang6 wrote: | | Hi i have a EL 4.0 and have just bought a turbo for it and ive just been told that the turbo wont spool untill about 4500 rpm.. just wondering which of your cams push out the most air as i will need it to spool abit earlier..any help would be great. |
The most appropriate grind for your requirements would be our 1636 profile. I can provide you with a specifications sheet if you'd care to PM me with an alternative email address.
Cheers
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| halo wrote: | just after some advice, have and EA with minimal mods (intake, 2.5 zorst..).. manual, MPFI
what cam to get? im not chasing maximum kw figures at 5500 rpm, i just want something for street use, so i guess i'd like it to come on at around 2500 or so rpm rather than peaking at 6k.
I've read that the 1004 at 112 can be used on manuals despite your site saying auto, this seems like the goods for me.
Any advice appreciated. |
The 1004 @ 112 would be OK, but, l'd be inclined to suggest our 1636 profile, which should produce more torque and provide a smoother idle.
Cheers
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Hi i dont think a late spool up with my turbo will really worry me now cuz i have just got a aftermaket computer so i will be able to move the rev limit to about 6500rpm..
Idle quality doesnt bother me and dont really care where the cam kicks in , i would like to get a cam that will go all the way to a 6500-7000 rpm redline.
So could i please have a price for a new billet camshaft in the cams that you think would be suitable.Thanks |
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| 1521a will rev that high, but im unsure how it will go with a turbo application |
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| FordFairmont wrote: | | 1521a will rev that high, but im unsure how it will go with a turbo application |
yeh i was thinking a 977b or a 1521a not quite sure yet |
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| Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 5:32 pm Post subject: |
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ive got the 977b in mine and it finishes up nicely at the standard redline.
The 1521a is a bigger cam and info from others suggests it will make good power where you want it too, however im sure Wade has larger cams which arent listed and might suit your needs better |
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