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garthr
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Thanks heaps I have my target.........
10 to 16 litres per minute.
Might need to install a 24Volt alt with a reducer for normal motor stuff to even try to produce those sort of numbers!!!!
6 to 12 systems in parallell.....
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Rick's EF Fairmont Wagon
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2 bits worth for the machining task.
to machine slots in the perspex just use a circular saw. if you are carefull and set up some guides you can cut very nice slots. At my last job we had a milling machine and I learned all about machining various materials, At home though, I don't have the best toys to use. Another idea is to use a router.
MEK or methy elthyl keytone will melt the panels together effectively. This stuff is nasty and a known carcinogen so be very careful. look up the MSDS for any chemical you are planning on using. Most chemical manufacturers have safety guides on their websites.
On the subject of LPG. LPG is higher octane than petrol. You can run much higher compression ratios. In fact there are diesel engines being converted to lpg with awesome results. As Glenn has suggested the computer keeps adding fuel to compensate the increased oxygen in the exhaust so we need to modify the output of the HEGO sensor. I need to get into the ear of the engineers at the Uni where I work so they can try it all on their research dyno's. I have been too damn busy to get any time to go and yarn with them. I am very impressed with the progress so far guys. Keep up the good work. |
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Rick's EF Fairmont Wagon
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what the hell is that for garth?
ICE?
5000watt stereo! |
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Glenn40
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There is So Much information here , that you will be Spun Out.!
But I would draw your attention to the section of Bob Boyce.......
thats after section 10-68 about half way through the document.
http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/Chapter10.pdf
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If you make a unit as per Bob's specs and run the circuitry stated.
You will have more Hydroxy than you could ever use on a car.
It is Expensive and difficult to get right - but thats the challenge.
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garthr
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| Rick's EF Fairmont Wagon wrote: | what the hell is that for garth?
ICE?
5000watt stereo! |
dunno what they did it for but looks useful for someone wanting to produce hydroxy. |
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Glenn40
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| Or a Really BIG Sound System...!!!!! |
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Update, been a month since my last posting:
My 3 W4G wire cells were drawing 7.6 amps in parrallel and producing just over 1 lpm measured with the highly accurate 2litre coke bottle!!!
These were made up with .8mm wire as prescribed with the EFIE finaly set at 425 millivolts.
Last weekend, I changed the 3 cells for my new ones. These were made with 1.2mm wire (stainless single strand fishing wire from BCF). This wire is nice and soft and much easier to work with than previous wire.
With the same 2 flat teespoons of baking soda, in parrallel, they are drawing nearly 14 amps. I have upgraded the relay to a 30amp. The coke bottle now fills in about 50 seconds! - I estimate about 2.2 lpm.
On the road it is obviously much stronger and the EFIE is tweeked again to 450 millivolts. Being fitted in front of the radiator (as per the previous picture) they are still only getting slightly warm. The relay gets hotter than the jars!
I am going to build/fit one of the digital mixture meters from Jaycar so I will be able to see exactly what the mixture is doing. I'll post the details once known. |
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refer to earlier posts the ego sensor will read lean with hydoxy systems cos creates more oxygen when burns. thus sensor says lean which is why u need to trick computer!!!!
am going to make my own system using 316 mesh small round holes thruout. should give awesome surface area... hope |
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CARNAGE
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| the system is intended for the xb ute which is having lpg fitted along with an ego sensor and jaycar display. engine is a 250 crossflow iron head will keep posted if u like!!!! |
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garthr
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| CARNAGE wrote: | | the system is intended for the xb ute which is having lpg fitted along with an ego sensor and jaycar display. engine is a 250 crossflow iron head will keep posted if u like!!!! |
yes please, keep us posted - especially details of how u build it & amps, lpm, mileage, etc. |
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zowwie438
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| Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 12:38 pm Post subject: HHO in diesel trucks |
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| Old mate Marcus wrote: | Hey Garth, nice pix of ya coffee jar, hehehehe. Just wondering if ya can smell the coffee in the exhaust gases? Just kidding, all jokes aside Garth, I think your onto something very very BIG. Looking foward when we can fit one of those badboys onto my excavator and truck. I spend around $2000 a month on diesel and would LOVE to reduce that by 30% if thats possable  . If it is you wont have to buy beer ever again mate believe me,  hahahahaha. cheers Marcus.  |
I saw someplace here on the net where someone took a LARGE dump truck (diesel) and filled the tool box near the gas tank on the drivers side with what appeared to be plexi-glass aquarium size like HHO units. I think it was five of them and I assume they used 24VDC and wired them in series.
They bubbled like CRAZY... But I never saw any stats off of it. Try to good it. I heard that it can be done on diesel, but the prob is... Gasoline has a 8% flammability range, while HHO is about 29%.  I think a diesel runs WAY too hot... HHO would prob ignite just bouncing off the walls of the engine before it ever got to the piston. But hell, anything is worth a try.
I would test it on an old diesel engine from a junk yard though before I tried it on a 90-200K truck!
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| heydonms wrote: | Conservation of energy says that you can't get more energy out of a system than you put in.
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I think the man may be right... Take my wife for example. I put in a 1,000 dollars worth of entertainment into her and probably on get 50% return on my investment.
LOL
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frankieh
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We burn coal to release the energy stored in it.. ditto with Petrol...
can you say for sure that there is no energy stored in Water? odd since it is the combination of two highly flammable substances that creates it.. |
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EFIE modification:
After changing my 3 W4G units for the more powerfull ones, I tweeked the EFIE again to 475millivolts. With this, I noticed a slight hesitation from cold first thing in the morning for the first couple of minutes. After this it was as normal with no further problem.
So, I have fitted a toggle switch so I can start on ''normal'' from the O2 sensor and then switch the EFIE on after the first couple of minutes.
It is now strong all the way and have reset the EFIE again to
500 millivolts (leaner again) with no loss of power or driveability.
Last fill up was 520 kms for 58 litres (the EL was only managing about 420km for the same 58 litres before fitting the HHO), so with this tweek I am hoping for maybe 550-560 kms?
With the latest hike in the petrol price, this HHO is a God send. |
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Robertkelley,
We need photos, construction details, documents etc etc.. I need an extra 100 + km per tank.. fuel cost is ridiculous now..  |
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Robertkelley
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Picture on my post dated 9th March
Construction details are from ''water4gas'' system.
EFIE from Eagle research (ordered from America) |
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hi guys Ive been playing with hho on my turbo diesel .just thought id post some results from gas test done last nite
this unit is calibated every 3 months speedo 209,900 kl
at idle Co 320ppm
NOX 192ppm
at 3000 rpm
CO 173 ppm
NOX 168 ppm as you can see at idle I have a fuel rich mixture due to the hho system but as rpm the reading decrease , this engine went from a rough idling pig to smooth ,powerful beast over night,Im getting around 13l/100km around town havent done a country run yet.Im running a 1/5 ltr container 2 50mm ss plates drawing 10 amp .my son took his old patrol to TAFE with a similar system teacher there said myth busted , he only 3kw more power but could explain why a 2.8 petorl 1984 had better exhaust readings than the teachers efid car.myth busted my a** , it works!! |
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| 3kw isn't bad an improvement.. many of the mods we spend considerable time on don't add that much power to an engine... |
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| the figures on a dyno dont lie ,but the teacher at tafe where busting there guts to disprove that the system all be it crude worked ,3kw isnt much but in a 1984 patrol with 240k on the clock ,my now has a smoothing running old heap.hes happy |
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| diesel1 wrote: | hi guys Ive been playing with hho on my turbo diesel .just thought id post some results from gas test done last nite
this unit is calibated every 3 months speedo 209,900 kl
at idle Co 320ppm
NOX 192ppm
at 3000 rpm
CO 173 ppm
NOX 168 ppm as you can see at idle I have a fuel rich mixture due to the hho system but as rpm the reading decrease , this engine went from a rough idling pig to smooth ,powerful beast over night,Im getting around 13l/100km around town havent done a country run yet.Im running a 1/5 ltr container 2 50mm ss plates drawing 10 amp .my son took his old patrol to TAFE with a similar system teacher there said myth busted , he only 3kw more power but could explain why a 2.8 petorl 1984 had better exhaust readings than the teachers efid car.myth busted my a** , it works!! |
what was your mileage without hydrogen? |
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