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adzi_metallica
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| Hey guys where in sydney (or a Aussie website) can i get info about the cosworth engine and Zetec engines i wouldnt mind calling someone and asking for prices........unless you guys have prices ehehhe |
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Macca
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Really if dollar value is a big part of doing the job, just put a Windsor in it.
All the conversions said so far are going to cost you big time, Jap engines will most likely to the the cheapest good condition engines to start with, but by the time you sort out the fuel injection wiring etc to fit the Capri you could be driving the Capri around sooner with a V8 that sounds better and was cheaper to do.
I really think modern engine and EFI is the way to go, but double your budget you thought it would take, before you start, unless you are capable of doing it all yourself.
Being that the Capri you will be starting with (unless it is a special import) never had EFI, you will have lots of work, probably won't be able to fit a fuel pump in the tank, you will most likely need an external electric lift pump, surge tank, high pressure pump, return line, new wiring for EFI, catalytic converter/s (unless engine is built pre 86), carbon canister (unless vehicle and engine is pre 75?) and then the engine conversion itself.
If you fit a V8 Windsor, use an engine that is pre pollution, that way you can still fit EFI (late model injection system bolts straight up) but not have to comply with pollution ADR's except for what the vehicle came out with. |
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there is a turbo sierra on ebay at the moment , you buy it and pull the motor and ecu ect out of it and i will buy whats left over ,
just a thought cause i need some parts |
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Put an SR20 det in, they have to be one of the best 2lt motors comonly available today, there's so many bolt on parts available.
Sure its not a ford motor, but who cares, your esky will fly! |
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peronly i'd go with a ZETEC as it will bolt to you existing gearbox and it has already been done a thousand times. if your really keen on this car go and track down a mag called Classic ford, but make sure it's the english one.
there you will find all of your answers.
through tha mag you can engine mounts that will put a zetec any where that used to have a 2L pinto or 1300/1600 kent engine, pretty simple. |
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Macca
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| tickford_6 wrote: | peronly i'd go with a ZETEC as it will bolt to you existing gearbox and it has already been done a thousand times. if your really keen on this car go and track down a mag called Classic ford, but make sure it's the english one.
there you will find all of your answers.
through tha mag you can engine mounts that will put a zetec any where that used to have a 2L pinto or 1300/1600 kent engine, pretty simple. |
You have a good point there, but it will still cost a packet no matter what he does. |
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| Damage wrote: | | tickford_6 wrote: | peronly i'd go with a ZETEC as it will bolt to you existing gearbox and it has already been done a thousand times. if your really keen on this car go and track down a mag called Classic ford, but make sure it's the english one.
there you will find all of your answers.
through tha mag you can engine mounts that will put a zetec any where that used to have a 2L pinto or 1300/1600 kent engine, pretty simple. |
You have a good point there, but it will still cost a packet no matter what he does. |
when does modifing a car not cost a packet???
a 350hp windors with suspension and brake apgrades will cost just as much as a ZETEC and brake upgrades. and will handle a hell of alot better with no suspension upgrades needs as it would weigh less the the 2L that is already there |
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just click on this link and buy this motor you won't have any worries it sounds like what you want and there are plenty of guy there that can tell you what to do.
motor is not mine and i don't know the owner from a bar of soap. but if i have the money to spare i would buy it no questions asked.
http://classicford.mine.nu/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2573
i like old skool small fords and i don't think they need japaness parts to make them go hard. if you can afford to put a cosworth in do it cause they arn't going to get any cheaper. |
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Macca
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| tickford_6 wrote: | | Damage wrote: | | tickford_6 wrote: | peronly i'd go with a ZETEC as it will bolt to you existing gearbox and it has already been done a thousand times. if your really keen on this car go and track down a mag called Classic ford, but make sure it's the english one.
there you will find all of your answers.
through tha mag you can engine mounts that will put a zetec any where that used to have a 2L pinto or 1300/1600 kent engine, pretty simple. |
You have a good point there, but it will still cost a packet no matter what he does. |
when does modifing a car not cost a packet???
a 350hp windors with suspension and brake apgrades will cost just as much as a ZETEC and brake upgrades. and will handle a hell of alot better with no suspension upgrades needs as it would weigh less the the 2L that is already there |
Unless I am missing something here, the Capri in question is a 1970 GT, he did not state V6 so it is a 1600 (2L was not in Aussie Capri), it will need strut and brake upgrades for a start, if it was a V6 than this would be different as they use heavier duty struts and brakes.
The Zetec would be a great upgrade as I have noted earlier but it will require current ADRs and unless the Capri has V6 struts/brakes etc it is likely an engineer will require those to be fitted too.
I without weighing the alloy headed Zetec, I would be nearly certain a Zetec will weigh more than a 1600 Kent engine, the Kent engine weighs more than 30kgs less than a 2L Pinto engine.
You can buy V8 kits for Capri's that will comply with engineers requirements.
You will probably find out that similar requirements will be required for a 300hp Zetec, and then you might have emission requirements that might be hard to comply with, as a 300hp Zetec is far from stock, and that engines emission standards have to be complied with.Unless you can pay off an engineer this will be a problem, and if the EPA does a random check you better hope it complies, they can't do much with about earlier standards, but they can with current.
No arguing here, just showing different prospectives of doing such a conversion.
As much as I dislike carbies, I could show links to a cheap carby 350-400Hp Windsor build up using early factory early heads, and I hate to say it, but it won't cost much more building this engine, than purchasing the better EFI intakes etc that will only make a start to do this on a EFI 5.0L, and low down torque won't be such a big issue when the car weighs around 1100kgs with the V8 fitted.
http://www.capriv8.de/perana-engl.html |
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tickford_6
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| Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2005 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Damage wrote: | | tickford_6 wrote: | | Damage wrote: | | tickford_6 wrote: | peronly i'd go with a ZETEC as it will bolt to you existing gearbox and it has already been done a thousand times. if your really keen on this car go and track down a mag called Classic ford, but make sure it's the english one.
there you will find all of your answers.
through tha mag you can engine mounts that will put a zetec any where that used to have a 2L pinto or 1300/1600 kent engine, pretty simple. |
You have a good point there, but it will still cost a packet no matter what he does. |
when does modifing a car not cost a packet???
a 350hp windors with suspension and brake apgrades will cost just as much as a ZETEC and brake upgrades. and will handle a hell of alot better with no suspension upgrades needs as it would weigh less the the 2L that is already there |
Unless I am missing something here, the Capri in question is a 1970 GT, he did not state V6 so it is a 1600 (2L was not in Aussie Capri), it will need strut and brake upgrades for a start, if it was a V6 than this would be different as they use heavier duty struts and brakes.
The Zetec would be a great upgrade as I have noted earlier but it will require current ADRs and unless the Capri has V6 struts/brakes etc it is likely an engineer will require those to be fitted too.
I without weighing the alloy headed Zetec, I would be nearly certain a Zetec will weigh more than a 1600 Kent engine, the Kent engine weighs more than 30kgs less than a 2L Pinto engine.
You can buy V8 kits for Capri's that will comply with engineers requirements.
You will probably find out that similar requirements will be required for a 300hp Zetec, and then you might have emission requirements that might be hard to comply with, as a 300hp Zetec is far from stock, and that engines emission standards have to be complied with.Unless you can pay off an engineer this will be a problem, and if the EPA does a random check you better hope it complies, they can't do much with about earlier standards, but they can with current.
No arguing here, just showing different prospectives of doing such a conversion.
As much as I dislike carbies, I could show links to a cheap carby 350-400Hp Windsor build up using early factory early heads, and I hate to say it, but it won't cost much more building this engine, than purchasing the better EFI intakes etc that will only make a start to do this on a EFI 5.0L, and low down torque won't be such a big issue when the car weighs around 1100kgs with the V8 fitted.
http://www.capriv8.de/perana-engl.html |
there is only one diference between the brakes fitted to the 1600 and 2L capris verses the V6 brakes. and that is the V6 has vented front disks using a wider spaced version of the twin piston 1600/2L calliper. the V6 brakes need upgrading for a V8 conversion because the V8 wieghs more.
how ever the V6 brakes with a turbo 2L would be fine as the car is still at an almost stock wieght...
but as with any conversion there are other things involved..
I do conversions all the time at work and there are all sorts of stupid rules
that make no sence at all that you can use to get around things like the EPA. like the last one i did, fitting a 4L toyota V8 to a hilux and the exhaust noise came in at 102.5 db and the car is still leagle, there are loopholes to use and ways around alot of things
still it would be nice to see some finaly break away from the windsor in a crapri bordom that has been done too many times to be thought of as some thing cool or interesting.
to be honest i really don't like engine conversions at all but if you are going to do one at least be different and try some thing new |
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Macca
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| tickford_6 wrote: | but as with any conversion there are other things involved..
I do conversions all the time at work and there are all sorts of stupid rules
that make no sence at all that you can use to get around things like the EPA. like the last one i did, fitting a 4L toyota V8 to a hilux and the exhaust noise came in at 102.5 db and the car is still leagle, there are loopholes to use and ways around alot of things |
I am interested on the loop hole, that is a EPA loop hole because EPA overrides any states laws, so that would work here too, not that I am after 102.5 db, man that is pretty loud, there is a few illegal V8 around here with that much at least I am sure of, but they are dumb a*** cowboys with utes (You know the d***head with Bundy stickers and over size bullbars etc).
I know every second Capri has a V8 fitted to it, but whats wrong with that, V8 will always sound better than any 4 or 6 so what do you have to choose from, I would recommend a Boss engine etc but it would be to big to fit in the engine bay (plus very costly), as would a Toyota V8. |
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| Well I am doing the "boring" thing and putting in a windsor albeit a EFI 5.0. I think it will be awesome when its going but i know it will take a lot of wiring etc. Each to their own. |
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i got a TS50 5.6 windsor and a tremec 5 speed for sale.
i havnt seen any capris with one of these suckers in it  |
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| Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 11:01 pm Post subject: |
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| XR8 dismantler - isn't your company mentioned in the recent Street Machine? how much for the TS50 engine? |
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| aber_run wrote: | | XR8 dismantler - isn't your company mentioned in the recent Street Machine? how much for the TS50 engine? |
yes thats us 
the motor is $12,000 complete with the tremec t3650 box.
thats $8000 for the motor and $4000 for the box assy |
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| Are you still standing ??? Lol... |
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its a lot of motor for the money. looks like its sold anyway.
but if you start adding up what it would cost to build you would hit
$15,000
just the tickford top cover is $1300 new.
then start adding up the inlet manifold,throttle body, extractors,
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SR20 - i looked at doing the same to my mark1 escort. I looked at all the options and the SR20 made the most power for the least $$. A zetec and turbo setup would cost well in excess of the standard sr20 set up and would be difficult to get bits for - all custom made - there are kits in the UK but they are all top dollar. The sr20 comes standard with 164kw running only 8psi. Add aftermarket ecu, exhuast and more boost and 190kw is easy. Cosworths are great but are far too expensive. expensive to buy and for parts and to modify. A good cossie motor will cost 10k - an sr20 will be about $2.5k for the motor and gearbox. spend the balance on fitting and add ons and it will piss on the cosworth. Machine off the nissan badges and polish the covers and it will take a few people a while to work out what it is. I do not think there would be too much weight difference in the zetec and the sr20 - if anything i think the sr would be lighter.
The sr20 gearbox is alright to so that would save your the $2500 to buy the supra box. Decision is easy - SR20 |
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