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Walker
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 Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 5:14 pm Post subject: ISC playing up |
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Has anyone had the ISC do the following?
1) When i unplug it the idle doesn't change.
2) When i put it in drive or reverse the idle jumps up (Same as putting on the AC).
It's working fine when turning the steering or putting on the AC.
So is it a dud ISC, or wrong signal from ECU or sensor? |
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krisisdog
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| Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 7:09 pm Post subject: |
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I'm pretty sure once your engine is warm, disconnecting the isc isnt meant to change anything.
I've got mine unplugged because it kept a hold of the revs to long in between shifts. |
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| Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 2:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Mine is playing up regardless, jumps around which ever gear its in. It does cut out a lot while turning the wheel though. I would think ECU sensor if steering an air con aren't hampering it |
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| Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 2:44 pm Post subject: |
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Heres a detailed write up about how these ISC's work. It does alot more than you think, but having said that, mine runs fine with it blocked off although cold starts are s**t
Your looking at the "stepper motor" type
http://www.autoshop101.com/forms/h26.pdf |
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| Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 8:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Alex_01 wrote: | | Mine is playing up regardless, jumps around which ever gear its in. It does cut out a lot while turning the wheel though. I would think ECU sensor if steering an air con aren't hampering it |
Have you replaced the ISC with the one you got from me yet? |
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| Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 10:25 pm Post subject: |
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| just today i replaced my ics, didn't change a thing. every time i put load on the motor at idle ie. a/c power steer ect. the revs drop dramaticaly and 90% of the time stalls. anyway that being said i now have a spare ics so if anyone needs one just ask. any suggestions? |
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| Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 11:47 pm Post subject: |
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| xhi6ho wrote: | | just today i replaced my ics, didn't change a thing. every time i put load on the motor at idle ie. a/c power steer ect. the revs drop dramaticaly and 90% of the time stalls. anyway that being said i now have a spare ics so if anyone needs one just ask. any suggestions? |
Did you replace it with a new one? Or a second hand one you knew was workin 100%?
My ex bro in law has an AU ute so i'm thinking of getting him to come up so i can part swap with something i know is working 100%.
It's not a part i'd buy second hand without seeing it working, otherwise i'll buy new. |
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| Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 7:14 am Post subject: |
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| With a new isc, you might need to reset the ecu to make it relearn idle settings properly? |
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| Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 5:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Timmeh - yeh I replaced it today. The revs still flutter a bit and engine still shuts down when steering wheel turns. The revs dont seem to move as much though.. |
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| Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Alex_01 wrote: | | Timmeh - yeh I replaced it today. The revs still flutter a bit and engine still shuts down when steering wheel turns. The revs dont seem to move as much though.. |
Damn I'm sure that was the fix.
Have you had a look at the idle speed switch on the power steering rack? If there is one for a V8. the I6s do. |
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| Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 9:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Walker wrote: | | xhi6ho wrote: | | just today i replaced my ics, didn't change a thing. every time i put load on the motor at idle ie. a/c power steer ect. the revs drop dramaticaly and 90% of the time stalls. anyway that being said i now have a spare ics so if anyone needs one just ask. any suggestions? |
Did you replace it with a new one? Or a second hand one you knew was workin 100%?
My ex bro in law has an AU ute so i'm thinking of getting him to come up so i can part swap with something i know is working 100%.
It's not a part i'd buy second hand without seeing it working, otherwise i'll buy new. |
i just got one second hand, i had my pick from 5 different one's it didn't work. my dad has an AU i might pinch his and see if it works.
cheers tom |
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| Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 10:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Turn the idle up and leave the fker unplugged if all else fails. |
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| Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 11:58 pm Post subject: |
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I don't think Ford isc's are stepper ? I think they are frequency operated ??
You MAY have other issues ? Leaking inlet or faulty O2 , map sensors... |
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| Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 12:46 am Post subject: |
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| EBXR8380 wrote: | I don't think Ford isc's are stepper ? I think they are frequency operated ??
You MAY have other issues ? Leaking inlet or faulty O2 , map sensors... |
Yeah that's what i would have though!
Anyway, i haven't had much help in my cause, we know how and why they operate, i was hoping to find someone who had the same prob as me. |
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| Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 11:23 am Post subject: |
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The ISC is a solenoid controlled by frequency - the duty cycle is varied to work it.
How it works is pretty irrelevant, the fact that it does work in some situations has me thinking it's probably fine - clean it and/or swap it with a known good one is a good idea, as this is easy and quick to do, and puts beyond doubt if it's okay or not.
Is the idle speed correct when it's disconnected ??
Maybe the plug to the inhibitor switch has crap in it, and the ECU is not getting correct resistances when D or R is selected. Clean the connectors.
What codes are the ECU putting out ??
If none of the above brings up anything, maybe check the D and R resistance ranges are in spec at the ECU plug.
As always, check the easier things first. |
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 10:12 am Post subject: |
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Yeah i think the problem began after i cleaned the ISC and the TB.
I'll get my bro in law to drop in and rob his for 5 mins to check.
Unfortunately we can't extract codes on the AU without equipment, not like the E series. |
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