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As the title states ive just confirmed that i am being sponsored by an Australian company to write an independant review on their 'to be released' hydrogen fuel generator product which will hit the market shortly.
I have done extensive research on almost every avenue of fuel use, from petrol and other additives, lpg, air induction (natural and forced) as well as water injection (vacuum and electronic).
I am very excited and i will spend an enormous amount of time writing an extensive product review over my uni holidays.
Also i am only being supplied with a test kit with their backup support, i am not being paid by them.
But i can assure everyone an extremely high quality HHO review is coming!
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this will be great to read dude
any chance you can post the review after it has been sent and read by all concerned? |
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| Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 7:47 pm Post subject: |
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| What is your main study area? Engineering? Chemistry? |
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| Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 10:35 pm Post subject: |
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I will be evaluating the entire product, its faults and advantages compared to other information on other designs.
From opening the box every step will be photographed and documented.
Even parts most people would not think about like if the kit causes any issues with insurance companies (i will contact 4-5 companies to be exactly sure what (if any complications there are).
I will contact an engineer who likes the idea of using hydrogen (if there is one) and one that hates the idea and all their comments will be noted.
Not having used hydrogen, i dont know what to expect, what we are all worried about is whether it may cause damage to the motor, so at the end i will remove the head and see if there is any damage. (if anyone has any other tests please let me know). Before the test the oil will be replaced and the oil additive (similar to nulon's teflon additive) will be added and during the process the oil quality will be monitored also, this will be limited to touch, feel and smell as i dont have the specialist equipment to test the oil itself.
The use of water injection will be investigated also, leaning out the fuel (to supplement with hydrogen) in my mind could easily cause engine problems as im sure your all aware, water injection would cure some of the problems caused (if any).
But most importantly the results will come at the end, and if it works as promised. A 20% gain in economy will yeild an extra 100+ kilometres of travel or a discount of $20+ at the pump, with todays prices.
If anyone has any thoughts, please send me a message, i want to make sure the process used is scrutinised also, so that the most fair outcome can result.
Also once i have completed the review it will be accompanied by my fuel economy guide, for petrol and lpg cars.
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| Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 10:47 pm Post subject: |
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Hey Matt...good on you for scoring a sponsorship to do a write up on this topic.
I would say an emission testing would a good idea too. I saw a clip where some guy got a clean white rag and held it behind the exhaust running on petrol only...came out black. Then he got another clean white rag and held it behind the exhaust with a mix of HHO and petrol and it was clean...but that was debatable if you've seen the clip.
In that clip he also did an idle test using an external controlled source of petroleum....in his case a jug with 8oz of petrol and timed both trials with and without HHO.
If need be, you can do a viscosity test on the oil. Where I work there are viscometers which I might be able to use to help you...so long as I don't get fired lol.
A good idea would be to run a similar vehicle on just petrol and seeing how much carbon deposits are around the engine compared to one running with HHO gas.
Also measure voltages at different sensors so that you can back up some claims with some logic related to the ECU and how it is all controlled automatically.
I can think of other stuff but too lazy now.
Good luck with it 
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| Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 11:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Is this the stuff where you use the cars power supply to generate hydrogen from water, and than pump it into the engine? |
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| Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 11:09 pm Post subject: |
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Good ideas thanks, i'll have to read up on those sensors your talking about.
Straight from the horses mouth:
"average of 25% to 40% savings"
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| blackjack_original wrote: | | Is this the stuff where you use the cars power supply to generate hydrogen from water, and than pump it into the engine? |
Yes, but at low current and how it actually works is different from the argument "It's stupid, it cant work, im a chemist nerr"
From what i have read, the 90% of the hydrogen isnt burnt, but its a catalyst for the petrol to burn, it increases the petrol burnt from 20% to 40% !
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| Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 11:31 pm Post subject: |
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I have a vague memory that oil analysis is used by truckies and isn't expensive to get done. Heaps can be learnt from this. Carbon content can be measured too.
I imagine you'll need to set up an accurate way of measuring fuel consumption, and hydrogen production.
Maybe an EGA (exhaust gas analyser) machine would give you a good indication of how things are burning, and get printouts. |
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| Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 1:15 am Post subject: |
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Another simple test of your oil is a visual check for impurities.
You take a clean tissue, fold it, and drop 1 drop of oil from the end of the dipstick onto it, allow it to soak into the tissue and you are left with clearly visible indication of whatever solids are in suspension in the oil - (mostly carbon from blowby) Hold it up to the light if you wish.
will be a few specks on oil that is new, but can be pretty radical looking on oil that is way past change time.
I look forward to your results with the hho. |
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| Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 7:12 am Post subject: |
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| -GAS-MAN- wrote: | Good ideas thanks, i'll have to read up on those sensors your talking about.
Straight from the horses mouth:
"average of 25% to 40% savings"
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I was thinking more on the line of O2, engine temp, voltage drops across battery and all that. Just some other useless information that might back you up in the long term if need be.
phong =P~ |
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| If your serious about getting the oil anilysed have a talk to the guys at fuchs. they used to offer an anilyses service for about $60 which included a written report |
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| Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 2:42 pm Post subject: |
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Im very interested in it and if the benefits are worthwhile i would definately invest in testing to ensure no engine damage is done
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| Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 11:02 pm Post subject: |
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I have looked into this but as far as I can tell it is only good as a booster to you normal fuel consumption witch is a good thing but what I want to know has any one found out what optimum amps ,volts, water additives and plate arrangement are ?
It is very fair and well to hook it up to 12 volts and make hho that is easy it is the refining process that I think is more important
Why do we need the O why can we make independent cells and only use the H2
if you can manufacture h2 and store a small amount ready to put the foot down you can eliminate a wet fuel altogether |
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| Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2008 3:25 pm Post subject: |
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is the company your doing it with work with neil young if so thats my mats dads work shop he currently has the hydrogen cell is his honda and so far its saved him like 56 % of fuel consumption im hoping to get it cheaper through him by advertising his business on the forums and stickers on my car
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| ea_falcon wrote: | is the company your doing it with work with neil young if so thats my mats dads work shop he currently has the hydrogen cell is his honda and so far its saved him like 56 % of fuel consumption im hoping to get it cheaper through him by advertising his business on the forums and stickers on my car
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56%....the claims for these things just keep getting more ridiculess by the month |
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| Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 10:29 am Post subject: |
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depending on the size of the motor and how much hho is created this is a posibility smaller the engine ( a mower or maybe a niki, lada or something under 1000cc you could almost manufacture 100% as long as you have enough power to run a big alternator
for the time being clames are indipendent by people who proably work out there economy by $$ not by liter x distance
this is a good begining a way to save money by streching out you fuel consumption depends on motor and driving style
| gogetta wrote: | | ea_falcon wrote: | is the company your doing it with work with neil young if so thats my mats dads work shop he currently has the hydrogen cell is his honda and so far its saved him like 56 % of fuel consumption im hoping to get it cheaper through him by advertising his business on the forums and stickers on my car
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56%....the claims for these things just keep getting more ridiculess by the month |
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hho to be more precise, two parts hydrogen, hh, and one part oxygen, o, which is pure, so yeah.
I bought a cell, made the container, fully sealed etc, hooked it up, ran it, seemed to run very well, 2litres less per hundred over a 20km run..
I got home, went inside, came out an hour later and i had left the thing plugged in, it was smoking, the cell was nearly a liquid, the fluid was boiling, i had put too much bi carb in as i wanted results asap.
The whole cell twisted, lol. It was fun, i might do it all again sometime. I was at uni at the time with lots of spare time to f**k around and stuff, now i have a job in qld so i dont even have a car, lol.
When i get back my car has a Sprint Gas system installed, lol so i will pick it all back up oneday |
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| bi cark is a new one but a additive is needed to help the process additives that are common on youtube are KOH or salt . i think KOH would b e better as it containes hydrogen and is an electrolite |
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| -GAS-MAN- wrote: | Im very interested in it and if the benefits are worthwhile i would definately invest in testing to ensure no engine damage is done
Matt |
have to use effies for o2 sensors and a volume delay system between idle and peak revs. |
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