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eleanor
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| Hi guy ,i have got a bf xr8 ute and i am geting realy bad axel tramp ,it happens in the dry but is worse in the wet .what can i do to stop this and is there any thing on the market like eg tramp rods for the bf ute .any help would be good thanks. |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 6:12 pm Post subject: |
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Check your shocks. Worn shocks can promote tramp. It's a bf so probably not (age) but maybe.
Tramp bars would help caltracs and a couple of other companys make them
or just up the rear pressure and try harder
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eleanor
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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| It has new pedders sports riders fitted about 5 weeks ago and the leaf springs have been reset and lowered an inch and half, but it tramped before i lowered it . I thought it mite help |
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punktured
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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Welcome to the club  Few things you can try...
- Put clamps on the front of the leafs with nolathane pads where the axle bolts on the leafs
- Put a rebound leaf in
- Tramp rods (there's a place in melb that sells them for $150 i think)
Some things that may help without having to put tramp rods are rear sway bar and adjustable damper shocks, i will be trying this combo out along with redesigned King Spring (they are having big issues with their reversed eye leafs and axle tramp) with the rebound leaf.
Also wheel size plays a role in it too, having 19's makes the problem worse, especially with new cars that come stock with 19's, they are having problems |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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| capa do a anti tramp kit for utes! may be worth investigating! |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 10:09 pm Post subject: |
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| The CAPA kit is the clamps for the leafs that punktured mentioned AFAIK. |
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eleanor
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 10:46 pm Post subject: |
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| I have 18's at the moment but i want to get 20's .I was talking to guy to night about it and he said to try using a unsprung steel plate ,same thickness and width as the leafs and put it on top of the leaf from the axel forward he said this will stop the leaf spring from "s"ing .Do you think this is a good idea or a bit dodgy. |
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punktured
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 4:07 pm Post subject: |
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Same sort of thing as a rebound leaf, it's pretty much a leaf that bows up and is bolted down on top of the original leafs to stop it.
The leaf clamps work but they don't stop the problem, majority of the time you wont have a problem but there are times (mainly in the wet) when it just appears and annoys the f**k outta ya. I haven't tested them on the strip to see how much of an improvement they were, before i had massive tramp in 1st and 2nd off the line |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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its the pedders, you just need to power through it.
If you want to spin the wheels you need to jam the peddle to the floor not just to where they start to spin, my old au xr8 ute used to be the same way |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 4:24 pm Post subject: |
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| ebxr82nv wrote: | its the pedders, you just need to power through it.
If you want to spin the wheels you need to jam the peddle to the floor not just to where they start to spin, my old au xr8 ute used to be the same way |
Trying to power through axle tramp isn't the best idea, it's alot of stress on the driveline.
I only get it in mine in the wet, or if I'm full power and the rear end breaks traction because of a harsh bump in the road. |
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eleanor
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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| weird that it is worse in the wet ,as soon as it starts i back off dont need to snap a axel . what about a 3rd link do they make them for au,ba,bf dont care about cost will save me $ in the end once it is fixed .its realy pissing me off |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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Have a look at the link I posted for the Mal Wood ones, there is pics there of his.
They use an RTV diff bracket, and a custom bracket that bolts to the forward leaf mount, and the tramp rod sits above the diff.
Bloke I bought them off reckons they worked really well in his Manual 340rwkw F6 Tornado before he wrote it off, he mentioned his tramped really bad in the wet before the rods as well.
From memory, without going through that thread again, they are 950, I don't know if that is installed.
having a look at them, if you've got some contacts/are handy with the tools, you'd be able to make something up pretty similar for no drama, and I think alot less then 950.
Only iffy thing is the RTV diff bracket they use, I think the part number has been ground off it, maybe a ford parts guy could help you track them down?
If you want decent pics of them off the car, let me know and I'll grab some tomorrow for you. |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 11:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Some pics would be grate thanks, i tryed the link but will not let me in . thanks again |
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| Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 12:43 am Post subject: |
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I racked these pics from that link and rehosted them for you.
I can get some of mine off the car tomorrow as well, if you'd like.
Mal Wood says pricing "around" 950, so maybe worth a phonecall if you are interested.
http://www.malwoodauto.com.au/ |
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punktured
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| Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 4:26 pm Post subject: |
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Had some good news today, got a call from my suspension place saying that the redesigned king spring with rebound leaf works well. It was getting tested on a blown boss during the week. I have ordered mine so it should be here in 10 days with my Tein kit  Will let you know how it goes if you haven't sorted it out by then.
Only thing is the redesigned leaf is through their Tein supplier so not sure if it can be sold separately and what pricing would be, but just a guess would be a bit more than a standard leaf. If you want some more info let me know and i'll find out for ya, but keep in mind this is only for Lows, not sure about Super Lows and stock height.
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eleanor
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| Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 7:44 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks heaps guys .I like the look of the mal wood i will give them a call and i will let you know how i go .cheers for all the imput  |
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| Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 10:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Best of luck with it. Might be an idea to go into a good suspension place and ask them how much to fit a rebound leaf on it, i'd dare say it'll end up cheaper than the Mal Wood tramp bar |
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| Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 11:22 pm Post subject: |
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I wonder if rebound leaves just reduce windup in one half of the spring and increase it in the other. I once fitted some to a vehicle at another's behest, but was not pleased and they were removed. They need to have just the right amount of camber otherwise they cause problems. They are also extra weight, which can actually factor towards more axle tramp.
They also have the effect of softening the spring rate somewhat, and lowering the car somewhat.
They are very cheap and easy for an aftermarket spring manufacturer to make, so beware of their profit motive. |
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punktured
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These are not made by the spring manufacturer, they have been made to work with the Tein super street suspension which have been redesigned and tested in house due the the bad axel tramp which have plagued the King Spring reversed eye design.
As far as i know with the design they are a full sized leaf running across the top so if anything it'll stiffen it up a lil and i'd dare say offer more payload in the back because it wouldn't sag as much. I'll know more about it once my set comes in and will try get some pics to post up |
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