Home |  Forums |  Search |  My Profile |  Chat  Photo Gallery |  Events Calendar |  Technical Documents  No messages |  New Posts |  Watched Topics |  Register   Fordman351's DOHC EL Fairmont: Back On The Streets!!! Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3 ... 28, 29, 30 ... 35, 36, 37  Next          Forum Index -> The Garage Latest ratings Highest-ranked posts Highest-ranked topics Highest-ranked posters   relaxed_diplomacy Fordmods - Getting Side Ways Age:33 Posts: 939 Joined: 14 Dec 2007 Location: delegate NSW, Australia View User Gallery (5) Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 11:08 pm    Post subject: I actually saw my comments as sympathetic and supportive. Back to top glenneaux Fordmods - Getting Side Ways Age:22 Posts: 1270 Joined: 05 Apr 2005 Location: Burwood Nights VIC, Australia View User Gallery (2) Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 11:22 pm    Post subject: fordman351 wrote: Anyway, on with the important stuff, i have only just realised that the BA autobox doesn't have a mechanical speed sensor in the extension housing, where as the EL does and currently this is where the ECU is picking up all the vehicle speed data. I'm wondering if the extension housing from the EL box can be swapped over to the BA box, but then came the thought of the worm gear on the output shaft....FECK! I might go see a transmission specialist and see if the BA valve body can be swapped into the EL box with ease. are you for serious? get another ba box, im sure that ba's with 4seed auto and no abs get the speed signal from the transmission. The rest of them get it from the abs systems. However, are there any ba's without abs? the manual indicates there is a speed sensor in the trans. edit: call out 2 is :2 Vehicle Speed Sensor (VSS) (where fitted)" Back to top fordman351 Fordmods - Getting Side Ways Age:23 Posts: 1414 Joined: 08 Nov 2004 Location: Bunbury WA, Australia View User Gallery (10) Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 2:34 am    Post subject: Hmmm, intersesting. To be honest the gearbox was on a rack and wasn't easilly accessable, so i may have overlooked the speed sensor. Surely a speed sensor would be able to be added if there isn't one present, i can't see that BTR would do two different transmission case castings and not add in a provision for the sensor... Back to top FairmontXR6 Fordmods - Getting Side Ways Age:23 Posts: 827 Joined: 10 Sep 2006 Location: Brisbane QLD, Australia View User Gallery (3) Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 5:04 am    Post subject: relaxed_diplomacy wrote: "As for my gearbox, i have spent several thousands of dollars rebuilding and strengthening it for this very day. It should be quite capable of holding 400-450hp reliably." Could you please tell me what can be done to an E-series Auto to make it stronger? I would like to do the same to mine. Back to top twason Fordmods - Getting Side Ways Posts: 2092 Joined: 06 Nov 2004 Location: Canberra - The Nations Capital ACT, Australia View User Gallery (9) Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 7:52 am    Post subject: Unless the box is from a non abs BA ute it wont have the extension housing hole drilled or the gear on the output shaft. All you need to do is swap over your extension housing and output shaft gear, simple. Its a shame you are over WA, I have exactly the BA box you need but transport would be a killer. Back to top bpt motorsport Fordmods Oompa Loompa Age:35 Posts: 31 Joined: 15 Apr 2005 Location: Perth WA, Australia View User Gallery (0) Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 6:37 pm    Post subject: fordman351 wrote: glenneaux wrote: about the auto, its been said time and time again on here that BA and E series/AU auto's are different, electrically. Just fit a BA auto? If only it was that easy, money doesn't grow on trees you know BPT went right through the schematics for the EL and BA transmission electronics and came to the conclusion that they were both nearly identical. Don't ask me how, auto's are a grey area for me, i'm just nodding my head and saying "uh huh" haha. What are the exact differences between the early and late transmissions? Both transmissions are identical except for the internall wiring harness configuration. The early 93LE uses a positive switching method for solenoids 1,2, nad 3 with a seperate pair for multiplexing soleniod 5. The late 93LE uses negative switching in the PCM so there is a common positive 12vdc down to the tx and seperate negative switching for all the other soleniods. The pinout for the connector is the same also. One way would to retro fit the tx wire loom into the older 93LE box and all would be ok but then you might as well use the BA box. The BA PCM goes into a limp home mode 3rd gear with open converter and a limit of 45klm per hour and 3000 rpm if there is more than one soleniod fault. Barry. Back to top bpt motorsport Fordmods Oompa Loompa Age:35 Posts: 31 Joined: 15 Apr 2005 Location: Perth WA, Australia View User Gallery (0) Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 6:42 pm    Post subject: fordman351 wrote: Hmmm, intersesting. To be honest the gearbox was on a rack and wasn't easilly accessable, so i may have overlooked the speed sensor. Surely a speed sensor would be able to be added if there isn't one present, i can't see that BTR would do two different transmission case castings and not add in a provision for the sensor... Hey matt, Don't worry to much about where the speed reference comes from. We can add or use the signal from one of the ABS sensors and configure it through the BA PCM. Barry. Back to top fordman351 Fordmods - Getting Side Ways Age:23 Posts: 1414 Joined: 08 Nov 2004 Location: Bunbury WA, Australia View User Gallery (10) Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 10:01 pm    Post subject: That's right, i remember you explaining this problem. Here's a few thing i have been thinking of to try and avoid removing the gearbox (if possible): -Are the EL shift solenoids themselves exactly the same as the BA items? -If so, if i purchased a BA box internal loom and any associated plugs etc from Ford spares, would that be able to be fitted and configured to work properly? -If none of the above is possible, will the BA valve body and internal loom fit/operate correctly in the EL box along with the EL output shaft sensor? -Or should i just bite the bullet, get the complete BA box from the wrecker, bolt it up, plug it in and get the speed signal from an ABS sensor? Oh also i'm getting the airbag lamp on the instrument cluster lighting up, i know it's probably having a difficult time reading the EL ECU which is not present haha, but i noticed it is flashing a sequence and repeating it. The sequence goes something like: [ON...ON...ON...ON......................................ON...ON..ON..........(repeat)] Anyone know airbag codes of the top of your head? Back to top bpt motorsport Fordmods Oompa Loompa Age:35 Posts: 31 Joined: 15 Apr 2005 Location: Perth WA, Australia View User Gallery (0) Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 10:47 pm    Post subject: fordman351 wrote: That's right, i remember you explaining this problem. Here's a few thing i have been thinking of to try and avoid removing the gearbox (if possible): -Are the EL shift solenoids themselves exactly the same as the BA items? -If so, if i purchased a BA box internal loom and any associated plugs etc from Ford spares, would that be able to be fitted and configured to work properly? -If none of the above is possible, will the BA valve body and internal loom fit/operate correctly in the EL box along with the EL output shaft sensor? -Or should i just bite the bullet, get the complete BA box from the wrecker, bolt it up, plug it in and get the speed signal from an ABS sensor? Oh also i'm getting the airbag lamp on the instrument cluster lighting up, i know it's probably having a difficult time reading the EL ECU which is not present haha, but i noticed it is flashing a sequence and repeating it. The sequence goes something like: [ON...ON...ON...ON......................................ON...ON..ON..........(repeat)] Anyone know airbag codes of the top of your head? I will check this out for you on monday. I know tx looms are a good couple of hundred bucks and the solenoid connectors on the BA are different so you would need these to match the loom connectors, solenoids would not be cheap. Might be just as cheap to get the other box for $1000.00 I will check this code out on monday as well. Barry. Back to top bpt motorsport Fordmods Oompa Loompa Age:35 Posts: 31 Joined: 15 Apr 2005 Location: Perth WA, Australia View User Gallery (0) Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 11:13 pm    Post subject: Hey Matt, The ABS might be coming on because of the drivers front wheel speed sensor not connected. I noticed that this was not connected or missing, the plug is located near the HEGO wiring connector. Thought you must have revoved this for some reason or another when doing the engine swap. This can cause the fault lamp to show. Barry. Back to top fordman351 Fordmods - Getting Side Ways Age:23 Posts: 1414 Joined: 08 Nov 2004 Location: Bunbury WA, Australia View User Gallery (10) Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 11:39 pm    Post subject: Oh okay, that's strange, i don't remember touching anything like that, i must have unplugged it by accedent. I'll have a look-see in the morning. But it's not the ABS light that is illuminated, it's the airbag lamp flashing that sequence. If i replace the EL transmission with the BA box, i should be able to take the new inhibitor switch off that you had installed and put it on the BA box. Will taking the speed signal from the ABS sensor be okay? Or would replacing the BA extension housing for the EL extension housing and sensor be more suitable? Whatever is easiest to do, you name it haha, and i'll bring it back up to have the electrical side of things sorted. Back to top Busso Fordmods Tyre Shredder Age:18 Posts: 313 Joined: 07 Oct 2006 Location: Bunbury WA, Australia View User Gallery (3) Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 3:15 am    Post subject: Matt I know you want a quick fix for the gear box problem but, have you not considered the 6spd ZF auto? (obviously saving the cash and doing it properrly) I'm assuming that should be plug and play with you wiring loom / ecu but I am probably wrong. Back to top glenneaux Fordmods - Getting Side Ways Age:22 Posts: 1270 Joined: 05 Apr 2005 Location: Burwood Nights VIC, Australia View User Gallery (2) Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 7:39 am    Post subject: fordman351 wrote: Oh okay, that's strange, i don't remember touching anything like that, i must have unplugged it by accedent. I'll have a look-see in the morning. But it's not the ABS light that is illuminated, it's the airbag lamp flashing that sequence. If i replace the EL transmission with the BA box, i should be able to take the new inhibitor switch off that you had installed and put it on the BA box. Will taking the speed signal from the ABS sensor be okay? Or would replacing the BA extension housing for the EL extension housing and sensor be more suitable? Whatever is easiest to do, you name it haha, and i'll bring it back up to have the electrical side of things sorted. You can't take the speed signal from the ABS sensor. BA's take it from the ABS module which are obviously connected to the ABS sensors. So no, you can't do that. I'd say EL extension housing/output shaft would be easier, but i'd prefer to just get an abs-less ba box.. or a manual Back to top dcstraight Moderator Age:30 Posts: 3740 Joined: 05 Nov 2004 Location: Melbourne Interior: Cappucino Exterior: Sparkling Burgundy VIC, Australia View User Gallery (0) Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 8:42 am    Post subject: Busso wrote: Matt I know you want a quick fix for the gear box problem but, have you not considered the 6spd ZF auto? (obviously saving the cash and doing it properrly) I'm assuming that should be plug and play with you wiring loom / ecu but I am probably wrong. AFAIK, it will not bolt up without lots of mods - physically and electrically. Back to top fordman351 Fordmods - Getting Side Ways Age:23 Posts: 1414 Joined: 08 Nov 2004 Location: Bunbury WA, Australia View User Gallery (10) Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 4:07 pm    Post subject: The ZF six speed auto could be a possibility, but then what's the cost for one of those? I would imagine it would be a figure close to the national debt. Then a new transmission crossmember would have to be fabricated, then there's the problem of wiring. Back to top DA22LE Fordmods - Smokin em up Age:42 Posts: 270 Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Location: Kellyville NSW, Australia View User Gallery (6) Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 6:00 pm    Post subject: If it's been suggested already, sorry, but i think a manual conversion would be better than trying to make an auto work with a different ecu, or as you have said a BA auto. I expect they would be pretty common, so they should be fairly cheap. Having said that a manual might be more expensive, but would save you plenty of time electrically, and money in the long run. Good luck with whatever you choose. Dont you just love engine conversions, and i thought it might be easy being all Ford gear......dame electronics....lol Cheers Daz Back to top bpt motorsport Fordmods Oompa Loompa Age:35 Posts: 31 Joined: 15 Apr 2005 Location: Perth WA, Australia View User Gallery (0) Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 11:23 pm    Post subject: glenneaux wrote: fordman351 wrote: Oh okay, that's strange, i don't remember touching anything like that, i must have unplugged it by accedent. I'll have a look-see in the morning. But it's not the ABS light that is illuminated, it's the airbag lamp flashing that sequence. If i replace the EL transmission with the BA box, i should be able to take the new inhibitor switch off that you had installed and put it on the BA box. Will taking the speed signal from the ABS sensor be okay? Or would replacing the BA extension housing for the EL extension housing and sensor be more suitable? Whatever is easiest to do, you name it haha, and i'll bring it back up to have the electrical side of things sorted. You can't take the speed signal from the ABS sensor. BA's take it from the ABS module which are obviously connected to the ABS sensors. So no, you can't do that. I'd say EL extension housing/output shaft would be easier, but i'd prefer to just get an abs-less ba box.. or a manual Yes it is possible from the ABS wheel speed senor directly by spliting the output of the senor into a frequency divider. The BA PCM will still use the square wave output from the divider as it does when we configure the PCM to use extension housing hall effect device. Barry. Back to top glenneaux Fordmods - Getting Side Ways Age:22 Posts: 1270 Joined: 05 Apr 2005 Location: Burwood Nights VIC, Australia View User Gallery (2) Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 8:27 am    Post subject: bpt motorsport wrote: glenneaux wrote: fordman351 wrote: Oh okay, that's strange, i don't remember touching anything like that, i must have unplugged it by accedent. I'll have a look-see in the morning. But it's not the ABS light that is illuminated, it's the airbag lamp flashing that sequence. If i replace the EL transmission with the BA box, i should be able to take the new inhibitor switch off that you had installed and put it on the BA box. Will taking the speed signal from the ABS sensor be okay? Or would replacing the BA extension housing for the EL extension housing and sensor be more suitable? Whatever is easiest to do, you name it haha, and i'll bring it back up to have the electrical side of things sorted. You can't take the speed signal from the ABS sensor. BA's take it from the ABS module which are obviously connected to the ABS sensors. So no, you can't do that. I'd say EL extension housing/output shaft would be easier, but i'd prefer to just get an abs-less ba box.. or a manual Yes it is possible from the ABS wheel speed senor directly by spliting the output of the senor into a frequency divider. The BA PCM will still use the square wave output from the divider as it does when we configure the PCM to use extension housing hall effect device. Barry. frequency divider? According to the wiring diagram the BA's without ABS have the speedo sender in the transmission directly wired to the ECU. Why would you need something in between? Back to top foggy Fordmods Oompa Loompa Posts: 49 Joined: 28 Jun 2007 Location: Sydney NSW, Australia View User Gallery (0) Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:55 am    Post subject: WOA Last edited by foggy on Wed Jul 16, 2008 6:59 am, edited 1 time in total Back to top glenneaux Fordmods - Getting Side Ways Age:22 Posts: 1270 Joined: 05 Apr 2005 Location: Burwood Nights VIC, Australia View User Gallery (2) Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 12:52 pm    Post subject: ROFFLE Back to top Display posts from previous: All Posts1 Day7 Days2 Weeks1 Month3 Months6 Months1 Year Oldest FirstNewest First             Forum Index -> The Garage Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3 ... 28, 29, 30 ... 35, 36, 37  Next Page 29 of 37   (c)2002-2008 Matti Jones and Brad Evans [47 queries :: 0.0885 seconds ]