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Gaz
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powerdyne definatly looks value for money, but after some of the things said here, it seems they arent too great? then you spot the price jump to the vortech kit, wowzers 
guess its a matter of what fits yor needs and budget |
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| You can always make up a cheaper Vortech kit that runs lower boost like the Powerdyne and save a bit of money, then when it comes time to up the boost get the extra bits. If you geared the Vortech to run 6-8psi then you could do without the injectors, extra bypass valve and T-rex fuel pump. This would probably bring the price down $800-$1000. |
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| Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 8:00 pm Post subject: |
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| and how does the ecu deal with the vortec kit i think i will go the vortec kit just wondering how the ecu goes |
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| Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 8:04 pm Post subject: |
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| They supply a chip with the kit, you can also opt for a unichip which is slightly better due to the custom tune but a fair bit more expensive. If you plan on higher boost etc later than you should invest in an aftermarket computer and decent injectors but that all comes down to budget. |
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| Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 8:05 pm Post subject: |
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| sickd wrote: | | and how does the ecu deal with the vortec kit i think i will go the vortec kit just wondering how the ecu goes |
Stock ECU wont deal with it too well at all.
The Chiptorque chips or Unichips can handle up to 6spi perfectly and 7 or 8psi at a maximum. After that the EEC V is out of its range by a fair bit and some other solution needs to be used or oyu have to accept the compromises. |
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| Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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| so if the PD is 8 - 9 psi what is the Vortec kit running and if the uni can only handle up to 9 psi its not worth goin the vortec unless you run a new computer thats what ive come down to |
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| Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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| There are a couple of ways to get the stock EEC to cope even without a chip (although a chip does help specially on the fuel side). The problem with the I6 EEC is that it only reads load values from 0-100% so there is no compensation for boost. The V8 is better reading load up to 200% (around 15psi of boost) which allows easy manipulation of the fuel and timing maps which pretty much any chip tuner can do easily. Because the I6 EEC does not read load over 100% it cannot pull out timing gradually under boost, but if you installed a boost retard system like the ones available from MSD or Accel you could easily run more boost, probably 10-14psi without too much drama. |
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| Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 8:44 pm Post subject: |
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| sickd wrote: | | so if the PD is 8 - 9 psi what is the Vortec kit running and if the uni can only handle up to 9 psi its not worth goin the vortec unless you run a new computer thats what ive come down to |
The vortech can run 10-12psi in which case a new computer it the optimum solution however getting a Chipotorque or unichip and haveing it custom tuned will still run it. It will simply be a compromised setup. Anything over 10psi on a stock engine will not be healthy for the engine anyhow. |
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| Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 8:49 pm Post subject: |
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| sickd wrote: | | so if the PD is 8 - 9 psi what is the Vortec kit running and if the uni can only handle up to 9 psi its not worth goin the vortec unless you run a new computer thats what ive come down to |
All they do is pull all the timing out as soon as it goes on boost (100% load) instead of the ideal way of pulling out timing gradually as boost rises. This is ok but won't give you full power under low boost conditions. |
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| Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 9:16 pm Post subject: |
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cool that makes a bit of sense now
we are pulling the motor down any way, forged pistons ring job copper head gasket and bearings and hp oild pump that should do it for 12 psi no worries.
but i think i will just go the PD i doubt i will f**k it they only f**k up when you try boost them.
and a i6 wont spin that supercharger more than 39,000 rpm or wat eva they dont rev enough to get it there.
thanks for the help.
just think i will either learn the hard way and it will f**k up or i will be happy with it and not try chase more power and it will be fine |
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| Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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| sickd wrote: | | just think i will either learn the hard way and it will f**k up or i will be happy with it and not try chase more power and it will be fine |
You will always chase more power, no matter how much you have you always want more  Anyway, talk to the guys at CAPA, they were great and pointed out all the issues they had with the Powerdyne blowers, and although they highly recomend the Vortech, they don't push. |
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| Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 9:32 pm Post subject: |
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thats probably the best advice call capa i think thats wat i will have to do to get the LO - Down on this
thanks mate
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| Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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| you are also able to get finance for the CAPA kits - scary thought. |
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| JOSE wrote: | | you are also able to get finance for the CAPA kits - scary thought. |
Hehe yes I saw they do that now. |
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| Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 8:14 pm Post subject: |
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| hey how come no one has mentioned before that you can use a unichip to get the EEC to play along with boost before? every time ive seen a thread asking about eecv and boost, everyone says it cant be done, now im off for some research |
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| JOSE wrote: | | hey how come no one has mentioned before that you can use a unichip to get the EEC to play along with boost before? every time ive seen a thread asking about eecv and boost, everyone says it cant be done, now im off for some research |
They can't really be accurately tuned for boost (well the I6 EECs anyway) because no matter what chip/unichip you use you are still limited to 100% load. What they can do however is pull out all the timing required for max boost at 100% load value, obviously this isn't ideal but it does work. |
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ahhh ok, looks like im still not getting out of it easy (or cheaply then).
One other question, the prices CAPA quote on their site - do they include fitting? |
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| Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 12:01 pm Post subject: |
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| JOSE wrote: | ahhh ok, looks like im still not getting out of it easy (or cheaply then).
One other question, the prices CAPA quote on their site - do they include fitting? |
I think so but i dont think it costs much. You get a discount (i forget how much - 10% ? 5%?) when you order for a self fit. |
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| JOSE wrote: | ahhh ok, looks like im still not getting out of it easy (or cheaply then).
One other question, the prices CAPA quote on their site - do they include fitting? |
No supply only, CAPA don't actually fit any kits they only make them. |
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| EDXR8 wrote: | | JOSE wrote: | ahhh ok, looks like im still not getting out of it easy (or cheaply then).
One other question, the prices CAPA quote on their site - do they include fitting? |
No supply only, CAPA don't actually fit any kits they only make them. |
Woops. So grant - the discount they give out - is this for someone who is fitting it in their backyard, and they only charge the full amount if you are having someone like tilbrook install (so full list price + tilbrook's labour?) |
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