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| 84_Fairlane wrote: | | ok that pipe on the back of the plenum in the 1st pic, follow it down and make sure it hooked up to the aux air valve (as i said mounts where the fuel pump usualy does) the hose and a connector to the loom should be connected |
yep all is in - i assume the connector you are talking about is the one that comes out of the fuel injector loom? between cycls 3 and 4 - this one is plugged in.
i know i havnt gotten that one in the wrong place, as an injector loom wont reach this point that the plenum hose comes off - the loom is too short.
il have a double / tripple check when its light enough to be able to see what im doing tomorrow. |
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| Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2007 4:54 pm Post subject: |
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new problem...
we have spark, we have timing (its lined up for TDC @ number 1 now) we have fuel getting up to the injectors (after running out of fuel that is and putting more back in) we have a good strong battery as well, but she will not fire!
cranks hard, the fuel pump primes and is definatly getting fuel up to the rails - pulled the line off the rail to check that one.
all vacume lines are in the correct place as well
just quite difficult right now :S
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| Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2007 7:12 pm Post subject: |
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| ive had this same problem twice with the fairlane lol 1st time was the AFM had packed it in 2nd time the computer earth wire wasent connected and it was flipping out!, to check injector pulse, get a LED and connect it to one of the injector leads and make sure it pulses while cranking |
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| Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2007 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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| 84_Fairlane wrote: | | ive had this same problem twice with the fairlane lol 1st time was the AFM had packed it in 2nd time the computer earth wire wasent connected and it was flipping out!, to check injector pulse, get a LED and connect it to one of the injector leads and make sure it pulses while cranking |
just went out and checked the injector plugs / wires for 'activity' with the multimeter - all six of them are firing / pulsing.
double checked the spark plugs while i was at it, interestingly, i seem to have an intermittent problem here - lead carrys the spark, but the plug doesnt 'spark.' they are the ones that where in the ZL Fairlane head i transplated with the fuel rail, so i know they all work.
They are getting towards the end of thier service life - but they ran fine in the ZL..
where is the earth lead for the computer?
the car was 'running' with convincment the other day, the only thing that has changed since then, is we have flushed the oil (yes we finally changed the oil - sounds better even when its only cranking over)
and we adjusted the timing back to where we think its ment to be..
unless in the back to where we think its ment to be... we have managed to turn it 180...?
atm, she floods easy - but doesnt think of kicking over and running...
when its cranking over, the oil pressure guage in the dash steadily rises to a nice healthy spot just north of halfway on it.
getting quite confusing - as it fired yesturday, but doesnt want to know about it today! |
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| Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2007 7:55 pm Post subject: |
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| computer earths right at the battery (the 2 black leads from the computer are BOTH earths) easy way to tell, is remove the plug from the ECU, and the 2 end connectors (opposite to the end the loom exits) should both have continuity to a ground, if not start there |
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| Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2007 8:05 pm Post subject: |
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sorry - just need to clarrify something in my earlier post.
the spark plugs DO fire - but sometimes i get just smoke and no spark. more spark than smoke tho when i was checkin them...
had a wander outside and checked the battery, i have 2 black - yet somewhat small and thin wires with connectors that attach to the neg terminal of the battery - il have to check when its light tho, so see if they are grounding out
(should hit the landlords up for a double lockup garage, with lotsa lighting for night time car work! I dont like my chances on that one tho) |
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| Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2007 8:11 pm Post subject: |
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| you should have 3 earths comeing from a loom |
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| 84_Fairlane wrote: | | you should have 3 earths comeing from a loom |
i have the big negative lead from the block, one individual black small wire from a bundle, and what looks like 2 of the same sized black leads that have been joined together - looks rather dodgy actually, fiddled with the wires, and feels kinda brittle / loose / bad.
probably with all the removing and reinstalling of the battery between the fd and zl (used the battery to drain the zl fuel tank via the fuel pump), so im guessing things have come loose there.
tomorrow il look at making these good connections again - hopefully this will make the damned car START!? |
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| Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2007 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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| yea fingers crossed mate, if there poor connectins that will explane it, mine had about 1 strand left holding it on there and was corroded to crap so i stripped it back further back and re-wired it |
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| Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2007 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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cheers for your help 84_fairlane - muchly appreciated.
il post tomorrow to let everyone know how i went |
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pulled the terminals off the battery thismorning, to have a look for dirt and grease and to check the connections....
im suprised we had ANY form of circuit happening in this car - the amount of grease and dirt that had worked its way down into the terminals was quite scary really.
cleaned all that up to get nice clean contacts, and tried to crank it....
still not firing.
i remember when i got the car, it would never want to ever start on fuel - the only way you could get it started was to start it on LPG, and then flick back to fuel.
this is somehting that we have never solved either, as when we wanted to move it, just started it on lpg - which is now not on the car.
but in saying that - last weekend, we got it to fire and run (badly as it was running) but it would still start on fuel. there was no residual lpg at all in the system as all the hoses and whatever had been cracked open to get them off.
the only other thing i can think of, would be the timing is out about 180... but we havnt touched it that much from last weekend for it to be out that much. |
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| Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 2:17 pm Post subject: |
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http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v146/doddski_03/?action=view¤t=05082007005.flv
(4mb video - possibly not dailup friendly...)
current situ - she starts, and runs...
definatly seems to have a missfire / not firing at all on one cycl - the exhaust is dumping a hell of a lot of black smoke too.
idle on the TB has been turned up, to the point where the screw is flush with the surface.
she will run by herself for a minute or so, but then slows, f@rt and stalls - as seen in the above video. |
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| Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 5:32 pm Post subject: |
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im still sus about that AFM there easialy damaged sadly
this is gunna sound stupid but you did use ALL the FD computer, loom, and sensors yea? |
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| 84_Fairlane wrote: | im still sus about that AFM there easialy damaged sadly
this is gunna sound stupid but you did use ALL the FD computer, loom, and sensors yea? |
yeah we did use all the FD loom - just took the zl head and used that.
the only things in the FD now from the zl are:
- the head
- The fuel rail
- fuel injectors
- coolant temp sender (matched onto the fd loom - two wires where 'joined'
- lower inlet manifold
- S "curve" hose - as FD one had also been haccked up to accomodate LPG.
everything else on the car, is hopefully how it left the factory 23 years ago...
its currently out of fuel atm, so have to wait a couple of days to get the money to be able to drop 20 or so litres into the tank.
worked out a possible reason for it running so very rich - we haddnt hooked up the coolant temp sender properly into the block, but thats sorted now. |
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| Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 1:48 pm Post subject: |
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just had a thought on this, maybe the TPS has packed it in?
im unsure of how to test this tho.
is the ZL TPS the same as a ZK/FD one? if so can they easily swap over and run?
still havnt gotten around to getting some fuel into the tank, might do that today while im out and about.
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| Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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TPS wont matter at idol (shouldent have an output), and again its different to a ZL/XF one!
but it is the same as a VL one |
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| Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 6:38 pm Post subject: |
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im finally going to do something on the LTD - going to go and fill the Jerrycan a couple of times to get a reasonable amount of fuel in the tank to be able to continue starting the thing :S
hopefully....
itl run....
and without issue...
but im not holding my breath anymore - im getting quite past the problem of not being able to have it start and run properly.
if i could get it started and sit idling, i can then start playing with timing to get it spot on and the like. |
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| Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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| dont loose heart! you'll remember why u love it when you get to take her for a spin! |
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| Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 9:13 pm Post subject: |
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unfort to be able to take it for a drive, requires that i get it roadworthied - and thats financial commitment i havnt allowed for, esp as iv quit work for a while.
at least il have a fair bit of time to play around with it to get it running.
Im looking foreward to the moment when it is registered and i take it for a drive, it will be a very worthwhile im sure and rewarding. i just have to get to that point.. |
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