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ef_frmnt
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would the W55 or 57 box bolt in exactly where yours has? wouldnt that have been a cheaper option they seem to be running behind quite a few 10 and 9 sec rotaries that i know of and that wheelstand with that box..? just interested as i want a stronger manual but dont want to pay 2g just for the box might as well get a t56 or gertrag  |
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ebs_4l
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the conversion would be very similar... i did a lot of research and found everyone rates the r154 as a lot stronger than w55-57, so instead of risking it i went with that. The toyota box is untested in the falcon as far as i know, i was unable to find any evidence of anyone else ever doing this conversion, although, i think dellow may make a kit to do it????
if anyone is keen to try a w55 or 57 box, then im keen to see the results.... does anyone know anyone who has???? |
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ef_frmnt
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| i think im going to give it a shot. my t5 is rooted again and the turbo isnt even on yet. i can get a w55 for a few hundred.. a guy i know runs one as i said before so im gonna pick one up. he seems to think they will be bulletproof and for a lot less money. might even be pretty much the same conversion as your own. but the first thing im doing is setting up a hydraulic clutch im sick of this cable its in the way of everything and breaks s**t all the time. |
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ebs_4l
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last nite was the first time i had driven my car since new years eve, and i bloody enjoyed it, although it wasnt registred and i had only about 5mins of test driving... one issue is the spigot bearing has moved out of position, i think i did that when installing the box, the part that i made up to hold it wasnt as tight on the bearing as i would have liked, and i think it has come back to bite me..
oh well, the conversion has been a complete sucess, im very happy with the clutch, and i just gotta rip the box back out and fit a new part, then itll be back in action |
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Dansedgli
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| Good stuff mate. |
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fritzz
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| Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2007 11:11 pm Post subject: |
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good to hear its going!
how come the car un-registred? |
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ebs_4l
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| cos i only do the rego for 3months at a time, and its been 7 months since i last did it, i tried to go online and register it like i normally register my other car but it wouldnt work... so at that time i just went without |
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fritzz
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| Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2007 11:57 pm Post subject: |
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ok, i see
what ratio's does that box have? much different to the t5? |
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ea_5_spd
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| Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 12:56 pm Post subject: |
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kool brad good 2 hear its goin well!!!!
cant wait 2 c it bak out !!!! |
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ef_frmnt
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| Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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nice work with the box these falcons need an easy gearbox alternative. any new vids of it going now it has a reliable drivetrain? and when is the next higher boost dyno run going to be.. considering the T5 was the weakest link.
i spoke to a few people and i can get a W55 for 275 so im gonna go with that.. exactly how is your clutch setup are you still running the cable? im toying with the idea of running the slave inside the box like BA manuals.. they have a few troubles but i think it will be easier to setup. |
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ebs_4l
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ok, heres the run down.....
so far the gearbox job is a bit of a non event, by that, i mean, yes, proof of concept works fine, its just i need to work on it a bit more to make it useable.... once spigot is done, it will be perfect. well, judging by the drive so far it should be, havent gone over 60kmh. so this means there isnt any vids, and im not even sure when it will be 100% finished.. maybe 3-4 weeks.
easy alternative?? well, for someone like me with the skills and access to equipment it can be done easily, the physical work required isnt that hard, the calculating and measuring is the hard part, working out spacer size, throwout support size and length/dimensions, gearstick location, crossmember design, spigot size and spigot boss dimensions, transducer adaptation, input shaft to crankshaft alignment...
things that you will need to modify are: bellhousing, spigot bearing, bearing boss, throwout support, crossmember, speedo drive/tranducer, tailshaft, tunnel, clutch
i went with the approach of modifying as little as i possible could, this meant retaining a completely standard clutch operation, ie, std fork, thrust bearing, falcon style pressre plate, and using an appropriate clutch plate....
next dyno run?? it wont see another dyno unless we have another local show/shine next year and they bring back a dyno, that wouldnt be til late next year id imagine.... for now, im happy, it goes hard, engine hasnt broken, its been out of action for 7months from a simple blown gearbox, and the whole car has pretty much kept me broke for far too long now, i just want to enjoy it for a while.... ill push it upto 18psi and leave it there i think, yea, a dyno will tell me my hp output, but as far as tuning goes, i can do the same tuning on road with datalogging, so i really have no need to put it on the rollers unless im trying to prove a point....
that point that i try to prove will be 400rwkw if the show n shine happens......... then again, that instantly means i need to spend another $600 on some 83lb siemens injectors, and the fuel pump may be questionable at that level. |
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ef_frmnt
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yeah im trying to go with the same option of not modifying things too much but using standard parts.. dellow do a bellhousing for 4l/Supra 5sp so im goin to pick up one of those. using the BA hydraulic slave will make it easier and more compact.
getting the mounting and brackets wont be to hard we have a press mig oxy numerous gbox jacks so all that should be ok. the only thing thats a bit shady is the speedo transducer and the spigot/input shaft/crank setup. i dont wanna use a spacer as i dont have the right tools to mill it properly, but i will get an engineering shop to check the dellow bellhousing for perfect fit. |
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ebs_4l
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its done, complete and working seamlessly...
well, i just have to fit the gearknob and boot and then its done and dusted... took it out for a cruise on saturday, man, what a difference a nice box makes over a t5, theres now whine/rumble/grind and general protesting under load that the t5 had... it took all of my power with out breaking a sweat,
(only other minor issue is the speedo corrector, speedo currently about 10% slow.)
the ratios are good, closer spread than t5, and one thing im finally happy with, is the lack of vibration/gearstick rattle at 110+ kmh, all manual falcs have that same vibration, not any more, with a custom shaft and new box it is perfectly smooth right through the speed range... and yes, i had my old shaft balanced to try cure it a long time ago
all up, i spent $3420 to get it happening |
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| good to hear. i hope i can pull it off as well. |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 9:08 am Post subject: |
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| top work man...good 2 c all goes wel wit it... |
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INDUCT
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| Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 9:09 am Post subject: |
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| let us no wen ur comin home...definately go 4 a boost wit ya |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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hey brad,
good 2 hear and c ya car out 2 day sounded pimp!!
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| Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 7:44 pm Post subject: |
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Jesus Christ!
For the amount of dosh that you ended up spending, and the amount of modifications required to make it all work, why didn't you pick up a stateside TKO? Would've bolted in a hell of a lot easier! |
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| Cause he's a machinist who takes pride in his own work. A true engineer and one of a dying breed. |
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ebs_4l
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| Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 1:12 am Post subject: |
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thats a bloody good summary there xcabbi...
my time doesnt cost me anything, so the amount of work wasnt an issue... the cryotreating or something else must be working fine, 3rd gear is still in one piece, and i did give it a fairly hard time this weekend
i need to post up some new pics for you guys, so you can see just how nicely this box fitted, im amazed...
as for getting a tko and installing it, i take it you have personal experience in doing such a job?? if so, exactly how much does it cost to (a) buy the box and freight it, (b) get the required parts, ie clutch, bellhousing, tailshaft?? (c) labour for any jobs you cant do yourself??
the more i think about this, the more i am sure that the level of modification to fit either box would probably be very similar?? |
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