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TROYMAN
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hey
i want to do the serpentine belt conversion on my ea ( it has au engine)
ive got everything to do the conversion.
but i have a question??
i have a small issue with the air con pump.
ive noticed that the ea has different line fittings on the air con pump and the tx valve compared to the ef one.
i know there is the option of using the xh pump bracket?
does anyone know if the ea pump will mount to the xh bracket or is there an option so i can use the ef pump with the ea lines??
otherwise i guess i could get new lines made up...
if anyone who has done this conversion can help me it would be appreciated...
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TROYMAN
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| Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 2:25 pm Post subject: |
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cmon guys.
there must be someone who has done this..
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| Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 10:58 pm Post subject: |
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| The EA a/c bracket will fit an EL pump. But I don't know about fittings for the hoses, I haven't got that far yet. I have altered the EF alt bracket to accept the EA 85amp alt. Do you have the XH ute belt tensioner???, You will need it. Also you will need to fit and EF to AU water pump, cos they turn backwards, and the w/p inlet is smaller than EA to ED, so you'll need to use an EF to EL radiator.
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TROYMAN
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| Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 8:48 am Post subject: |
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ok
thanks.
ive got everything from a ef .ive got the alt,water pump,harmonic balancer,air con pump,belt tensioner,all brackets and bolts...(ive got a complete car for parts)
so far the ea aircon lines are completly different to ef. ive got my mates ed here aswell and the lines are the same as the ef but ea are different.
from what i can work out.
the ef aircon lines will fitt into the ea but where they fitt into the tx valve seems to be different..
i went to ford yesterday to enquire about a xh ute air con pump bracket and tensioner.
they told me the air con pump uses a ea bracket and that there was no tensioner on the xh . so i asked about xg and he said they were also the same as ea .. im  .
i know that xg and some xh have serpentine belts ive seen them but the dood at ford said they didnt. rather than argue i just walked out a little confused....
ive read and heard about people doing the serpentine conversion but i have not checked if they have connected the aircon..
i saw one in a car yard that someone had put a complete el motor in but the air con pump was not connected it was used as a belt idler lol...
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| Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 10:11 am Post subject: |
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| TROYMAN wrote: | | so far the ea aircon lines are completly different to ef. ive got my mates ed here aswell and the lines are the same as the ef but ea are differen. |
I wonder if you can swap pulleys on the compressors, so that your EA one can then run the serp belt. IIRC you just had your system regassed, you might be able to do it in situ while gassed.
| TROYMAN wrote: | | i went to ford yesterday to enquire about a xh ute air con pump bracket and tensioner.they told me the air con pump uses a ea bracket and that there was no tensioner on the xh . so i asked about xg and he said they were also the same as ea .. im .i know that xg and some xh have serpentine belts ive seen them but the dood at ford said they didnt. rather than argue i just walked out a little confused.... |
XG is an EBII/ED setup. XH's only run the serp belt. If the XH A/C bracket has an 87DA number, then it will be certainly the same as EA.
Since you run a BBM, you'd be better to run the EF serp belt setup - saves you buying an XH tensioner and belt.
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| Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 11:48 am Post subject: |
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| why dont you just have new AC lines made to suit what you are doing. would be a hell of alot easier
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| Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 12:59 pm Post subject: |
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| tickford_6 wrote: | | why dont you just have new AC lines made to suit what you are doing. would be a hell of alot easier |
i think your on the money there..
i was just trying to use what i have...
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| Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 1:36 pm Post subject: |
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In this sort of situation, you're probably better off figuring out your options, and discussing them with an auto A/C place.
They should be able to tell you what is the best/cheapest option to take - and get an opinion or two off others also.
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| Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 1:37 pm Post subject: |
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if your running AU 40L engine, it should be already setup for the
serpentine belt .
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| BuNtEr wrote: | if your running AU 40L engine, it should be already setup for the
serpentine belt . |
it was originally but i used the ea accesories when i put the engine in as i didnt buy the engine with accesories
now it doesnt matter! i want to do the conversion but i want my air con working..
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| Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 2:53 pm Post subject: |
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| do you have twin el thermo fans ?
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| Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 4:28 pm Post subject: |
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| yes i do have thermos, but they are still connected to a davis craig thermal switch instead of the ecu.
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| TROYMAN wrote: | | yes i do have thermos, but they are still connected to a davis craig thermal switch instead of the ecu. |
Which Inlet manifold are you running??? If the log manifold, you'll need the XH belt tensioner, if the BBM then the EF/EL tensioner will do. You don't need an A/C bracket if fitted with BBM, cos the A/C pump bolts to the block. The XH has the A/C pump mounted lower to miss the log manifold.
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| Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 9:54 am Post subject: |
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hi
im using the el ecu and bbm.
the main issues i have at the moment are the aircon lines being different and i just realised that the alternator bracket is different from ef to au (im using au block) but i should be able to overcome this with the custom bracket i made for the ea bracket..
so i have everything i need for the conversion its just the little things like the aircon lines being different and how the bottle will mount. as the ef bottle is in a different possition to the ea one .
or i may go to the wreckers and get some lines for a ed as they seem to be the right shape and fitt the ef pump and the bottle is in the same position as the ea bottle
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| TROYMAN wrote: | hi
im using the el ecu and bbm.
the main issues i have at the moment are the aircon lines being different and i just realised that the alternator bracket is different from ef to au (im using au block) but i should be able to overcome this with the custom bracket i made for the ea bracket..
so i have everything i need for the conversion its just the little things like the aircon lines being different and how the bottle will mount. as the ef bottle is in a different possition to the ea one .
or i may go to the wreckers and get some lines for a ed as they seem to be the right shape and fitt the ef pump and the bottle is in the same position as the ea bottle |
EA had its own bottle, with 2 versions, 1 small bleeder hose or 2 small bleeder hoses. EB was first of the bubble look bottles.
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| Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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ok
i finally got around to doing the belt conversion.
it was fairly straight forward.
i had to modify the ef alternator bracket to fit the ef alternator onto the au engine.
i also had to change the alternator plug over
i ended up working out the aircon line issue i used the pump lines from a eb (thanks to benj) i had to bend one of the pipes alittle bit and i used the smaller line to the condensor from a ed with the ef tx valve.but i needed to drill out the small hole in the tx valve to 11mm on the firewall side to fit. as the ea has a slightly larger pipe coming from the heater box.
so now i just need to get the aircon regassed.
its now up and runnung but its sprung an oil leak from one of the timing case cover bolts which ill fix tomorrow as ive ran out of daylight..
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| Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 7:15 pm Post subject: |
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Nice work Troyman
Boy, you really had to take a fair bit out of the Alt bracket.
You should enjoy the benefits of the bigger alt too with the fans and all.
I look forward to seeing it soon.
Cheers
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| Next time I suppose you'll be using the AU stuff to save the drama's? :p
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| knowsfords wrote: | | Next time I suppose you'll be using the AU stuff to save the drama's? :p |
yea i would have used the au stuff but the aircon pump is different to e series so custon aircon lines would be needed..
and the price the wreckers want good au bits was almost as much as i paid for the whole engine..
plus at the moment the ef bits owe me nothing!
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| BenJ wrote: | Nice work Troyman
Boy, you really had to take a fair bit out of the Alt bracket.
You should enjoy the benefits of the bigger alt too with the fans and all.
I look forward to seeing it soon.
Cheers
BenJ |
yea i hope the alt bracket holds up ok?
im fairly confident it wont crack.
i could have cut right through the bracket but i thought ill just remove what needed to be removed so it will keep some of the strength..
ben does your engine have the steel bar that runs from the front of the alternator to the timing case??
as the bolt that goes through the timing case is the one thats leaking oil at the moment..
i was thinking of leaving the steel bracket out as the bolt that is in there is to short to use with the steel bracket!
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