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Muffy
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| Its about niche, who the f**k wants to buy into that specialized "HSV" niche, bahahahahaha. |
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twr7cx
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| The words HSV and individual do not go together. Most commodores seem to have an HSV sticker on them (even ones made prior to HSV being established!)! And so many Commodores have HSV bodykits and that on them. Really individual that is! |
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Vic
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The thing about the original HO's that made them special was I believe, the fact that they were performance & grunt wrapped up in a family four door sedan. Totally unexpected and a complete success and that formula plus the low volume of GTHO's built was what made them special.
They're classics now and occupy a special place in Ford motoring history. To own a genuine GT or even a GTHO is a privilege that many cannot afford. And for FPV to acknowledge customers requests / demands that they re-introduce a GTHO once more is a major step as Ford Australia don't want to deal with it on their own.
So how are FPV going to deal with this? It's a fine line they'll be treading to get a GTHO just right without destroying the image. Would a GTHO be authentic if it wasn't once again developed within the traditional family sedan body? Would it have the same feeling? |
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Samsy
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| Posted: Sat May 07, 2005 1:18 am Post subject: |
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| Vic wrote: | The thing about the original HO's that made them special was I believe, the fact that they were performance & grunt wrapped up in a family four door sedan. Totally unexpected and a complete success and that formula plus the low volume of GTHO's built was what made them special.
They're classics now and occupy a special place in Ford motoring history. To own a genuine GT or even a GTHO is a privilege that many cannot afford. And for FPV to acknowledge customers requests / demands that they re-introduce a GTHO once more is a major step as Ford Australia don't want to deal with it on their own.
So how are FPV going to deal with this? It's a fine line they'll be treading to get a GTHO just right without destroying the image. Would a GTHO be authentic if it wasn't once again developed within the traditional family sedan body? Would it have the same feeling? |
The H.O. was developed for the sole purpose of homoligating a higher performance race car version of the GT. Back when the G.T.H.O. was born if you wanted to race and win Bathurst etc. the car manufacturers had to race a car that the general public could buy from the showroom. (production car racing) So the GTHO was the result. A minium of 300 cars had to be produced in order to be eligible to race. Basically a GTHO (be it XW Phase 1 and 2, or the XY Phase 3) were race cars adapted to road use!! So there lies the problem for a modern version of the GTHO. In order to preserve and honor the legend of GTHO, many GT purists argue that you cant have a modern day HO for the simple fact that it would not be for the original purpose of racing as the original HO's were, (now we have V8 supercars) and therfore it would be an insult to the GTHO name and legend. The original GTHO's are part of Aussie motor racing history and deserve to be held in such high esteem. I believe Ford should go another direction and create another new high powered GT "legend" with its own name and preserve the GTHO nameplate and history. |
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| Posted: Sat May 07, 2005 1:27 am Post subject: |
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i just hope they dont f**k up like holden did with the monaro...
so many people were p****d off about them ruining the classic name...
saw an interview on tv when they first came back
one of the holden guys that was apart of the team that designed it .ect
said he was dissapointed they used the same name and tarnished the history of it
so what im saying, i hope ford dont ruin the ho reputation |
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Thomas
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I have to say the BA range is awesome, every single car within it, how ever i must say the GT was a let down, sure it has a nice interior, more power and more agressive looks. But the BA GT just isn't that much more appealing than a Typhoon, how ever the EL GT was something diferent tottally re-worked interior (many special touches), ultra agressive looks and the car still holds it's value and looks so diferent to the pack of EL's something which the BA GT is missing!
So all i am going to say is Ford better put in a lot of time and effort into the GT-HO they shouldn't bring it out to impress us or to catch up or match HSV releases but it should be made with passion and spirit how the legendary phases were built.
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| Posted: Sat May 07, 2005 2:16 am Post subject: |
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HSV dont want to start a KW war? hahah. thats the funniest thing i have ever heard, before the boss was introduced, the clubby was like 225kw? or something, boss gt comes, 290kw, the clubby suddenly goes to like 265? then 285? and now 297kw?? yeh right, they dont wanna start a KW war, because they wont win it.
as for a GT-HO, supercharged would be very nice, but it would kill the heritage. Maybe just stroke the boss abit, out to say.... 5.6 or 5.7L? and make it about 350kw  oh, and shaker standard. that would mak it stand out as a HO |
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| Posted: Sat May 07, 2005 9:39 am Post subject: |
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| Yes a GT HO ( Homologation Option) would be good Falcon to put out, but for the name sake would have to be a a fully worked NA V8 and not a blown one to keep the original heritage of the namesake. |
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Vic
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| Posted: Sat May 07, 2005 11:43 am Post subject: |
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| 1 SLY 97EL wrote: | | Yes a GT HO ( Homologation Option) would be good Falcon to put out, but for the name sake would have to be a a fully worked NA V8 and not a blown one to keep the original heritage of the namesake. |
HO stood for Handling Option. |
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| Posted: Sat May 07, 2005 12:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Vic wrote: | | 1 SLY 97EL wrote: | | Yes a GT HO ( Homologation Option) would be good Falcon to put out, but for the name sake would have to be a a fully worked NA V8 and not a blown one to keep the original heritage of the namesake. |
HO stood for Handling Option. |
Vics right. HO stood for Handling Options. The original meaning was High Output but Ford changed it at the last minute in fear that the insurance companies would charge mortgage like premiums as a result. |
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twr7cx
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| Posted: Sat May 07, 2005 1:01 pm Post subject: |
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I do agree that the BA GT's do disapoint me in that there not noticaly different enough form the XR8's. Compare an EL GT to EL XR8 or EB GT to EB XR8 - the differences scream at you. But compare a BA GT to BA XR8 and well there different, but not enough.
And bassing the new GTHO on V8 Supercars would be stupid as arn't the V8 Supercars XR8 shells? |
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| Posted: Sat May 07, 2005 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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| HSV technology? It i my understanding that they import their V8's from the USA and bolt htem straight in. The V6 is also a GM USA reject. Do they import the drivetran too? At lest the base model BA 6 has more power and torque than the HSV XU6 that had a supercharged V6. Thats technology? |
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twr7cx
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| Posted: Sat May 07, 2005 10:11 pm Post subject: |
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The worst thing about HSV is that I've never heard Ford mutter a bad word about them (publicly that is), and twice I've heard them negitive comments and put downs to Ford/FPV.
I remmebr when they criticised Ford for performance sixes (XR6T and F6) totally forgetting that they too tried forcing a six with a supercharger though!
By the way, AFAIK the current/new nmodel 'alloy tec' V6 is aussie made, but the old one was a Buikc. |
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| Posted: Sat May 07, 2005 10:40 pm Post subject: |
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| 2fishingdogs wrote: | | HSV technology? It i my understanding that they import their V8's from the USA and bolt htem straight in. The V6 is also a GM USA reject. Do they import the drivetran too? At lest the base model BA 6 has more power and torque than the HSV XU6 that had a supercharged V6. Thats technology? |
HSV Technology = pushrods
HSV Technology = 297KW outta 6L (49KW/L)
Ford Technology = variable overhead cams
Ford Technology = 260KW outta 5.4L (49KW/L)
FPV Technology = 290KW outta 5.4L (53KW/L)
FPV Technology = 270KW outta 4L (67KW/L) 
Comparisons:
BMW = 327KW 6L (54KW/L)
BMW = 270KW 5L (54KW/L)
BMW = 225KW 4L (56KW/L)
Merc = 265KW 5.5L (48KW/L)
Merc = 200KW 3.5L (57KW/L)
'nuff said |
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| Posted: Sat May 07, 2005 10:41 pm Post subject: |
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| When you look at it that way data_mine, it's actually very embarressing for HSV! |
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| Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 8:04 am Post subject: |
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| Just hurry up and build the f**k i say |
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| Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 9:51 am Post subject: |
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I remember about 6 months ago that David flint siad somehting along the lines that FPV use DOHC engines while HSV use Pushrods. Then HSV came back saying that for every vehicle FPV of what ever they call themselves (in reference to Tickford and FTE) we sell 3. So what is exactly a niche according to HSV. They are only calling it niche now becasue they are losing to FPV who they have never taken them seriously
The GT/P might not be as potent on a track as a clubbie but for general road use it is superior.
When and hopefully if Ford do decide to invent the GTHO, it must be something special and be the best performance sedan in Australia and the world.
And finally lets face it a VZ commodre is more like a series 10 VT |
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| Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 12:35 pm Post subject: |
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| seton005 wrote: | | Vic wrote: | | 1 SLY 97EL wrote: | | Yes a GT HO ( Homologation Option) would be good Falcon to put out, but for the name sake would have to be a a fully worked NA V8 and not a blown one to keep the original heritage of the namesake. |
HO stood for Handling Option. |
Vics right. HO stood for Handling Options. The original meaning was High Output but Ford changed it at the last minute in fear that the insurance companies would charge mortgage like premiums as a result. |
They still charge an arm and a leg for insurance   especially if you have added a LITTLE modification or two. |
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| Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 4:19 pm Post subject: |
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| My ideal BA GTHO would be a GT falcon with body styling somewhere in between GT and V8 supercar. A tough NA engine. Think DJR320 but with even bigger cams and a louder exhaust (dual pipes out either side). Drop it about 1-2 inches down from stock GT height. 19"rims with the right rubber. All of the interior options of a GTP (or maybe LTD fairlane if you dare) wedged in there and you would have a very pleasing ride. IMO its gota be lumpy as NA f**k like a modern phase 3 to have any cred with the purists. |
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