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 Post subject: Re: Angle-grinding springs (Bodgey or not)
Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 9:42 pm 
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what an excuse


Ditto.

For those saying "your shock will pop out when the shock extends", it isn't any different to if you fitted manufactured shortened springs to stock length shocks with the same unloaded height.

In saying that, if you are cutting off any more than one loop your handling will deteriorate quite noticably. The only reason I can foresee for people cutting springs is aesthetically if you want to make a minor adjustment to height (i.e. you have superlows all round but back sits half an inch higher and you don't care forward rake is there for a reason).

 

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 Post subject: Re: Angle-grinding springs (Bodgey or not)
Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 9:46 pm 
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You can lower a car properly without blowing the budget, 2nd hand lowered springs pop up often in the for sale section. Just keep an eye out :)

 

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 Post subject: Re: Angle-grinding springs (Bodgey or not)
Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 9:57 pm 
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skidder wrote:
Troy wrote:
what an excuse


Ditto.

For those saying "your shock will pop out when the shock extends", it isn't any different to if you fitted manufactured shortened springs to stock length shocks with the same unloaded height.

In saying that, if you are cutting off any more than one loop your handling will deteriorate quite noticably. The only reason I can foresee for people cutting springs is aesthetically if you want to make a minor adjustment to height (i.e. you have superlows all round but back sits half an inch higher and you don't care forward rake is there for a reason).


Very true. But how many guys who cut springs are going to run shorter stroke shocks so the spring can't fall out? Why would they spend up on shocks to suit their cheapo chopped springs?

I've driven mates cars with cut springs, handling is really poor, lots of bounce.......

I get a lot of guys coming into work wanting super or ultra lows, and want to stick with stock height shocks. We advise them why they should get shorter stroke shocks to suit the springs, and few actually give it any thought at all.......Pitty considering it is a safety issue.....

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 Post subject: Re: Angle-grinding springs (Bodgey or not)
Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 11:30 pm 
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ToranaGuy wrote:
skidder wrote:
Troy wrote:
what an excuse


Ditto.

For those saying "your shock will pop out when the shock extends", it isn't any different to if you fitted manufactured shortened springs to stock length shocks with the same unloaded height.

In saying that, if you are cutting off any more than one loop your handling will deteriorate quite noticably. The only reason I can foresee for people cutting springs is aesthetically if you want to make a minor adjustment to height (i.e. you have superlows all round but back sits half an inch higher and you don't care forward rake is there for a reason).


Very true. But how many guys who cut springs are going to run shorter stroke shocks so the spring can't fall out? Why would they spend up on shocks to suit their cheapo chopped springs?

I've driven mates cars with cut springs, handling is really poor, lots of bounce.......

I get a lot of guys coming into work wanting super or ultra lows, and want to stick with stock height shocks. We advise them why they should get shorter stroke shocks to suit the springs, and few actually give it any thought at all.......Pitty considering it is a safety issue.....

Cheers

ToranaGuy


Wow!
What a debate.
I see your point. If I chop my springs, I really need shorter shockies.
If I'm gunna fork out for shorter shocks; may as well do the springs properlly.

Great thoughts guys.

Thanx heaps. :D
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Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 12:51 am 
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BennyLenny wrote:
Wow!
What a debate.
I see your point. If I chop my springs, I really need shorter shockies.
If I'm gunna fork out for shorter shocks; may as well do the springs properlly.

Great thoughts guys.

Thanx heaps. :D


Your welcome. Glad this hasn't descended into crap.....

It isn't just about the springs having the possibility of falling out. What happens when the shock bottoms out? The piston will smash against the bottom of the shock. Repeat this enough times & it will lead to failure. Bumpstops won't help. Too short of springs for the shocks, and you bottom the shock out before the bumpstop can work to stop that happening.

Then there is another angle that we have not even touched on yet. That's to do with stopping your car. People usually fail to realize how much the shocks play a big part in how quickly you stop. If your shocks are not controlling your springs, your adding a lot of distance to your stopping distance.....

Having said all that, I am fairly sure the "low" spec kings are suitable for use with standard shocks, super & ultra lows are highly recommended to use GT Sport shorter shocks. Plenty of good info in regards to this sort of stuff on the king springs website.

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 Post subject: Re: Angle-grinding springs (Bodgey or not)
Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 3:02 am 
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http://i963.photobucket.com/albums/ae11 ... 1302019213

here is a picture of some springs, notice how the coil is tighter
and tapered at each end so they can seat themselves properly.
if you cut them half a turn down how will you get them to sit
in properly and not shift/fall out when the shock hits full extension
and there is less pressure on the spring?

P.S how do you get the photo to appear in the post

 

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Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 3:07 am 
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Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 7:27 am 
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ToranaGuy wrote:
Very true. But how many guys who cut springs are going to run shorter stroke shocks so the spring can't fall out? Why would they spend up on shocks to suit their cheapo chopped springs?


Yes, correct. I was just making the point due to a lot of "your springs will fall out" like it is some inherent problem of cutting your springs and not having shorter springs in general.

 

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Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 7:38 am 
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http://i963.photobucket.com/albums/ae117/zzz-baute/th_springs.jpg?t=1302019213

here is a picture of some springs, notice how the coil is tighter
and tapered at each end so they can seat themselves properly.
if you cut them half a turn down how will you get them to sit
in properly and not shift/fall out when the shock hits full extension
and there is less pressure on the spring?

P.S how do you get the photo to appear in the post


I have only seen it done once and was one full coil and done to mimick the taper.

When the shock hits full extension your spring shouldn't have so little tension that it can move at all, regardless of whether it is a manufactured spring with a taper or a cut standard spring. Even if your shortened spring stays seated due to the taper if it isn't under tension at full extension you need shorter shocks.

 

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Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 9:20 am 
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I had cut springs before in my ef, it's very bouncy ,as said before when u cut a spring the bottom isn't flat so it can't sit properly and therefore bounces around , if u went over a bump and the body lifted high enough it could pop out, so i got ssl all round which made it alot better.


then when I got my xr6 it had sl all round but some one cut the back so they were about ssl height, so I put ssl in the rear out of the ef,. So now in the xr6 I have sl front and ssl in the rear with stock shocks that are gt Monroe but are stock height , even then the ride is still s**t, 19"'s don't help, but soon I'm going to put in shortened shocks , not sure which brand yet, might got KYB,
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Btw if Ur interested I have front ssl and rear sl if u want them only problem is the sl are cut , but ironic lol

 

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Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 1:25 pm 
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my te corty had cut springs in it and when i jacked the car up they fell out.the ride was terrible,sometimes felt unsafe???as for cutting springs its a mod i wouldnt do! looks good but its not safe

 

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Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 3:00 pm 
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One drunken weekend I cut 3 coils out of each corner of my old zl, rode like poo but looked the shiz. Springs were still captive at full extension as well. I don't recommend doing this to anybody but.

 

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Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 3:44 pm 
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you can get a set of 2nd hand superlows for like $100

why bother

 

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Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 5:15 pm 
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I paid $60 for a set of barely used superlow rears off ebay and $80 for low fronts. They are cheap and easy to get. Why bother chopping for?

 

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Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 5:25 pm 
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hey guys while on the subject , let me get this right , i have an ef futura and am thinking of putting super lows in it , will they fall out if i dont change the shock ? the guy from kingsprings said i wont need to change them just chop some of the bump stop , does this sound right , getting the springs brand new from them for 50 each , :mrgreen:
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