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Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 1:47 pm 
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ORIGINALLY I was browsing through "Squeaky rattle noise coming from rear EL XR"
http://www.fordmods.com/forums/squeaky- ... 82-20.html
trying to find a fix for the SAME problem...

Other than, I have two EF StationWagons. As many know, I am swapping bits from the Fairmont to the Futura, to the extent where it will be slightly better spec'd than the Fairmont original by the end of the week (fingers and everything crossed)...

I have had this squeak since December. I've talked to every bugger I know who's at all interested in Fords and they've come back with everything from
    SHIMS GONE (from between pad and caliper housing)
    WHEEL LOOSE (yeah, right... Hehehehe, even I can check that one!)
    SHOCK BENT / WORN / OTHERWISE WASTED
    HANDBRAKE ADJUSTMENT
    * SLIDERS *
    BENT AXLE


    I have replaced pads and there are no shims between pad and caliper, on either cars rear end! The Fairmont NEVER once made this noise however... I know there are shims on the front, but were the any on the back, ever?!
    Check the wheel tightening. Apparently it is 102nm of torque on the wheel nuts...
    I have pulled complete caliper units from the Fairmont, stripped them and assembled with high temp grease on sliders, got the disks machined and generally tidied the whole area up...
    As for bent axle... Well, I tried putting the car up on jacks and getting the rear wheels turning, but it doesn't make the noise if I do that - And I couldn't tell if axle was bent, or it was just my warped rotor....


There is a constant SQUEEK, SQUEEK coming from the warped rotor, but this is a rattlely sqweeky thing that only happens when hitting cats eyes or bumps of shock absorbing nature.

After looking at the topic, above, with all its advice on GREASING EVERYTHING I am, to be honest, none the wiser.

Which could mean (after all) it is hand brake pull apart time?

The handbrake shoes should be able to be changed, and in so doing I could find a spring or something loose? Heck... I asked a brake specialist to do the handbrake, but he just checked it by pulling brake on whilst on the hill outside and declaring it "fine". Ford hater..!

 

 

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Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 2:59 pm 
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A constant sqeak could be from dust in the hand brake drum or over adjusted shoes.
A simple test for this would be to half apply the hand brake and drive it a (very) short distance.
You also could try mild brake pedal application while driving over bumps.
I would guess your issue is with worn suspension bushes as your squeak happens while going over bumps.

 

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Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 5:08 pm 
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MadMatt wrote:

I would guess your issue is with worn suspension bushes as your squeak happens while going over bumps.


Wouldn't this noise happen even if I was applying some brake? I suppose I forgot to mention - The noise doesn't occur if applying brake...
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Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 6:50 pm 
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Are your leaf spring binders still in place, or are they loose/missing, thus letting your spring leaves rattle & slide??
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Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 7:04 pm 
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Are your leaf spring binders still in place, or are they loose/missing, thus letting your spring leaves rattle & slide??


WOW... That's a new one brother!

MIKE THE MECHANIC (real name..) came up with the usual and tired old "sway bar, bushes, blah blahblah blah babble" when I asked him today... You have to wonder about a mechanic who suggests my EF needs its firing advanced and I should open the dizzy! Hahahahahah@!

Whatever, thanks for the idea. Honestly, I was starting to look at driveshaft to diff bolts... If putting the brakes and handbrake from the Fairmont onto it didn't work, the whole bloody diff' was next. LEAF SPRINGS, well I never.
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THANKS for the thought!
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Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 7:12 pm 
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Hey - Here's another point to consider... I am damn sure I remember hearing a noise like something snapping and then the rattle started when going over cobblestones (installed to slow traffic down... BASTARDS!)

This was January or something - I seem to remember stopping the car and having a good look around the a*** end and spotting nothing wrong and jumping back in. Since then it's been through various warrant of fitness checks and passed easily on everything, other than the guy said HANDBRAKE wasn't up to much.

Hmmmph. Leaf spring binders and handbrake. Will let you know when it's sorted!
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Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 9:20 pm 
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My gt-gas shocker bushes fell apart and rattled like that. They look ok but are stuffed in the holes.
I ended up putting the original rubbers back in as they were much thicker and larger.
I fitted 1 ton panelvan springs to tighten up the rear end for a mere $34 and this put much more strain on the shocks. I need to replace the front struts as 360000klm means they are basically just brackets for the front wheels.

 

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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 11:44 am 
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Ahah. I still have donor car (200,000) with shocks all around and bought some second hand fronts the other day for $35NZ. Pity the mechanics charge so much to put them in... So, they are sitting in the passenger footwell!

Also a pity that I want the car lowered and don't know the first thing about it!

Alright, so my car has bigger issues than I am willing to confront just right now...!!!
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Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 10:21 am 
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creeture3 wrote:
Are your leaf spring binders still in place, or are they loose/missing, thus letting your spring leaves rattle & slide??


DUDE - I think I have found the source of half the noise... The left ones were mighty loose. Although, I have looked at other wagons and they are loose too - But I think mine are extremely loose. Just how snuggly fitting should they be??

And - If I just push the binder down the springs it will get tighter (as the springs get fatter towards axle U bolt....) but will just move back up quite rapidly I feel.

Another noise (which I thought was all the same noise, but turns out it's many) is definately a broken bracket holding the left of the rear "bumper plastic"...

Now I am just waiting for someone who can bleed brakes before ripping the entire brake system off and replacing with my cleaned up version.
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Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 11:05 am 
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Binders should be clamped pretty tightly. I know mine are, but I replaced my rears with Whiteline lowered about 3 years ago.
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Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 11:14 am 
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creeture3 wrote:
Binders should be clamped pretty tightly. I know mine are, but I replaced my rears with Whiteline lowered about 3 years ago.


Guess this would help explain some of the a** end sway I get when hitting sweeping corners too quick (with the load in the boot..>!) Am going down to see if I can figure out a tightening method other than jamming some old stainless fork heads between the spring and the binder. Good old Kiwi's,....

Nah, cannot work it out. Sounded better for about 500m and then purposely hit a manhole cover - it sounded better I think. Anyway, after hitting manhole cover it is completely back to sqwueksville. Ho hum.

ANY IDEAS ON TIGHTENING THEM - I tried hammering them down so they caught over the bump that links the two leafs together, but couldn't get them over the hump.... They're wiggling about 1-2m, which is damn hard to get anything in between... Will try a few thin bits of stainless in morning if no better idea springs to mind.


Looks as tho there's been a bit of an accident at left rear quarter of car - on of the attachments at front of bumper was broken, but turns out the metal support underneath was half an inch away from where it should've been...
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Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 11:40 pm 
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I'm not familiar with the wagon rear leaf springs, but i add that some if not most binders are there mainly to stop individual leaves from splaying sideways, and are deliberately not tight so that when the spring compresses and the leaves shift in relation to each other the binders don't rub or grab.

 

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Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 3:15 am 
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I have the same problem with my EF sedan and it's driving me insane. It sounds like I'm running over a flock of budgies when I hit cat's eyes and shallow, sharp bumps in the road.

I took it for a service and told them about the noise. They said they tightened a few things up in the back and the noise was gone for one day.... back again the next day.

I'm taking it back in to see if I can get them to have a better look at it while they replace my leaking water pump.

I'll report back with any further information.
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The leaf springs do require a little grease so they can move.
I really think it is the shockers like mine was.
Both the upper and lower rubber mounts were stuffed. Not a sound from it now and the extra springs from the 1 ton van make it nice and tight.

 

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Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 9:43 am 
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Kurfurst in the beer hall wrote:
I have the same problem with my EF sedan and it's driving me insane. It sounds like I'm running over a flock of budgies when I hit cat's eyes and shallow, sharp bumps in the road.

I took it for a service and told them about the noise. They said they tightened a few things up in the back and the noise was gone for one day.... back again the next day.

I'm taking it back in to see if I can get them to have a better look at it while they replace my leaking water pump.

I'll report back with any further information.


Sold a water pump on trade me for $25NZ by the way. All good.

Running over budgies is a bit extreme - Mine sounds more like I am driving an old ute with the spare wheel under the tray. And the spare wheel is held up by a chain. And the chain is loose...! But, I know how you feel about the noise. Combination of turning up stereo and touching brake lightly when going past hot girls only keeps you sane for so long!




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The leaf springs do require a little grease so they can move.
I really think it is the shockers like mine was.
Both the upper and lower rubber mounts were stuffed. Not a sound from it now and the extra springs from the 1 ton van make it nice and tight.


Brother - You rock - Sure the leaf springs need movement (above posts) and the binders are there to stop the axle pushing the leaves all over the show when cornerning and bumping... When I rattle the binder around by hand it does sound awfully like the noise I am complaining of... But, so saying...

I DO CARRY A BIG LOAD IN a** END OF CAR.

As such - Which springs do you have fitted? Can I just get some stiff (1 tonne truck) ones and new shockies and then put a block between axle and leafs to bring a** end back down to a suitable level?

I do need new shocks... The ones in the donor car are better, but still not AWESOME. If I can find someone to swap them over (hear you need a spring compressor or some special tool or some such) I will.

That, along with the complete brake swap, will lead me in the right direction.
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