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 Post subject: The advantages of braided brake lines?
Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2013 6:44 pm 
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Just wondering if there is much to be gained performance wise by upgrading your brake lines to the braided hoses instead of factory rubber hoses.

Upgrade would be done on a EL with reco'd callipers new rotors and new pads.

Has anyone had any experience with Safebrake branded braided hoses?

 

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 Post subject: Re: The advantages of braided brake lines?
Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2013 7:40 pm 
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There is much less expansion of the hose when pressure is applied, so when you brake more pressure goes to the caliper instead of the hose swelling.

Safebrake branded braided hoses - have a set on my car, good fit and well made. I will be getting a set for the wagon soon.
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 Post subject: Re: The advantages of braided brake lines?
Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2013 7:49 pm 
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What SWC says is accurate and the reason most motorcyclists upgrade to braided hoses, but that's because the full system is made up of flexible hoses on a bike (with a few exceptions)

How much of the braking system is actually flexible hose on a car? maybe 5 or 10%?

I'm not convinced that changing that amount of line would provide a noticeable improvement to the average Joe.

Depending on cost differentials between regular and braided hoses, I'd be surprised if it would provide a value for money improvement either.

On the positive side they're much more resistant to damage and last longer than rubber lines and look good.
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 Post subject: Re: The advantages of braided brake lines?
Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2013 8:21 pm 
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How much of the braking system is actually flexible hose on a car? maybe 5 or 10%?

I'm not convinced that changing that amount of line would provide a noticeable improvement to the average Joe.

Depending on cost differentials between regular and braided hoses, I'd be surprised if it would provide a value for money improvement either.

On the positive side they're much more resistant to damage and last longer than rubber lines and look good.


Good point on the amount of rubber hose, and it does make sense, however I put a set in my wagon and they definitely had an impact! Like with a lot of other rubber parts, eventually the hoses can swell and crack. So you may as well replace them with something decent.

Personally I think it was a great value for money upgrade, however if your brakes are in tip top nic it might not matter so much. But I do like the reassurance that if I needed to really slam on the brakes, I wouldn't have any old rubber hoses bursting.

My neighbour puts them on all his cars too (couple of old Peugeots, Skyline). Can't speak highly enough of them.

 

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interesting and good oil for the OP.

Have you got an idea of cost of braided v rubber.

I have no idea of the cost difference, hence my 1st post isn't well informed from that point of view.

I'd never considered braided hoses for a car before now (done it on all my bikes though)

Just had a look for Safebreak lines for my XH Ute $199 for all four lines, not too bad really, I could be tempted now.
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 Post subject: Re: The advantages of braided brake lines?
Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2013 8:50 pm 
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Have you got an idea of cost of braided v rubber.

I have no idea of the cost difference, hence my 1st post isn't well informed from that point of view


Yeah no idea here either. However like anything, the cost (and availability) of genuine parts nowadays is a problem. So unless you could source good quality a/m parts. But the safe brake ones I can vouch for along with SWC

 

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Dudes,

I have the safebrake lines on my ED... Replaced all 5 hoses...

Best thing I ever did... Definitely noticeable... brake pedal is rock hard and feels super positive...

My only dilemma is my ED is so low the front hoses are too short (caliper is much higher than the mount on the inner mudguard)... So I am going to get a set of new longer front hoses made up because they have me a bit worried when on full lock...

I say do it...

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sounds like ya can never have too much brakes,might have ta give em a shot
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Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 2:55 am 
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Thanks for the info guys, definitely answered my questions. Wasn't sure if i'd bother with the braided lines but now it's on the to do list! :P

 

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 Post subject: Re: The advantages of braided brake lines?
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Never ever let them get kinked.....and you can't put a hose clamp on them either.

I'll stay with my rubber hoses......they last 10 years.....and regular brake fluid changes help a lot.

 

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Never ever let them get kinked.....and you can't put a hose clamp on them either.

I'll stay with my rubber hoses......they last 10 years.....and regular brake fluid changes help a lot.



Good point about kinks and clamps (I feel like this is turning into some S&M discussion) :shock:

Could go for dry break connections to avoid the use of clamps, I considered them for one of my bikes a while back, but the cost was prohibitive.

A plastic bag under the reservoir cap usually restricts flow enough to only need a little bleed to get rid of the air.
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I put braided lines on the front of my EL (they sent wrong rears and I couldn't be a*** changing them). Felt no difference...the pedal was a little less spongy, but that could have been because of the fluid change and a proper bleed. I changed mine to braided because it was easier to get a set of braided lines than stock. I got them from Hightek Brakes in Melbourne with an engineers certificate so passes road worthy.

Does the Safebrake ones come with a certificate?

 

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I put braided lines on the front of my EL (they sent wrong rears and I couldn't be a*** changing them). Felt no difference...the pedal was a little less spongy, but that could have been because of the fluid change and a proper bleed. I changed mine to braided because it was easier to get a set of braided lines than stock. I got them from Hightek Brakes in Melbourne with an engineers certificate so passes road worthy.

Does the Safebrake ones come with a certificate?


You cannot run braided fronts and rubber rear.
It unbalances the system. That's way your brakes only feel slightly firmer.
Fit braided rears as well and you will notice the difference.

 

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 Post subject: Re: The advantages of braided brake lines?
Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 2:40 pm 
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Just checked their web site and it states that they are ADR compliant. and one of their pages carries this picture.

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I'm aware that the ones for the bikes should have the ADR approval marked on them, so expected the same to be true for cars. The marking on the hose should be plenty info for a RWC.
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