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Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 12:28 am 
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best thing about tough v8's (400+rwhp) with a strong shift kitted auto is the kick in the back when they go into gear and when shiftin gears, they can send you sideways too without too much trouble

 

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Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 1:55 am 
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Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 2:12 am 
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many years ago my bro-in-law and i rebuilt his C4 auto in his ZA Lane with a genuine Ford shift kit he had found at a swap meet, we weren't sure about what was what so we chucked it all in and hey presto! full manual auto no stronger just annoying on the street! :oops:

 

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Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 9:41 am 
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A full manual auto will only upshift & downshift manually - No automatic upshifts or downshifts.They will downshift at any speeds - Not very good if you downshift to 1st gear in the wet at speed!. If you try to take off in 3rd, it is like trying to take off in 3rd or 4th gear in a manual car - It will burn out top gear clutch.

In the early Ford "C" series transmissions (C4, C6, FMX) or the GM Turbo-350,400,700, Powerglide + Chrysler Torqueflites - Transgo,B&M,Fairbanks etc all make full manual shift kits for these transmissions.

With a full manual shift kit,Some companies offer a "reverse pattern valvebody" option . Instead of the shifter going P R N D 3 2 1 it will go P R N 1 2 3 D When that valvebody option has been installed - Must remember to change the gearshift lettering on your T- Bar shifter!

The Holden boys with their VN - VE Commodores have got it easy! Their transmission, The Turbo 700(4L60 & 4L60E) was designed & built in the USA - You can buy any performance modification you want for that Auto.

Where as the BTR is designed & built in Australia - No companies like Transgo etc make performance mods for them, Because the BTR is not available in the USA

Falcons are not the only car in australia using the BTR - That SSangyong Musso 4WD thing also uses it - Adapted to a Mercedes Benz engine.
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Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 11:31 am 
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Thread Mining much???? This is a 3 yr old topic

 

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Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 6:57 pm 
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best thing about tough v8's (400+rwhp) with a strong shift kitted auto is the kick in the back when they go into gear and when shiftin gears, they can send you sideways too without too much trouble


Good to see a 3 year old thread was brought up for some technical insight...
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stockstandard wrote:
threeprepaid wrote:
can a 4 speed el xr8 auto be fully manulised
how much power can these 4 speeds take


in theory yes, in practice no because nobody has built the hardware you need to do it yet.

The shifts in the 4 speed auto's are all done electronically. Replace the electronics and add a few paddles and you got a manual auto. I did some work with this earlier in the year. Basically you need to make your own electronics to drive the solenoids in the valve body

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I had the valve body switching in the correct sequence for the gear changes and designed a board that would drive it all in car but I have too many projects going on at once and since I dont drive a 4 speed car I dont have much motivation to keep working on it. Bascically what is needed is someone with an auto to work out the ramping of the s5 solenoid and the timing of the switching and then it can be finished relatively easy.


I am particularly interested in doing this mod to an older falcon, just because i can. so obviously each gear has its own independent solenoid, and what would happen if you didnt do anything to S5 while changing gears? also, what kind of resistance do you need to put to s5 to change?


In interests sake, the gears are selected by the solenoids being on/off and depending on what solenoids are on or off (its a pattern, not exactly sure off the top of my head) will determine what gear it will be in. There is a thread around at the moment which had something similar to this in it.

 

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Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 9:46 pm 
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But it takes inputs from the TPS & the speedo transducer, Sent to the ECU to decide which solenoid to operate.

If the BTR was available in the USA, you would have had a full manual shift kit 15 years ago!

It costs Transgo etc millions of dollars & hundreds of hours in R&D to develop a shift kit when a new transmission comes out.

Whoever trys to design a shift kit will have to know exactly how the geartrain works & a full understanding of the valvebody hydraulic circuitary + be a wiz at electronics & be prepared to put the hours in for trial & error part.
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Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 9:58 pm 
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Apparently it carnt be done according to DTM automatics in melb as they build full house BTR and asked them that question and they said it carnt be done.

 

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Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 2:36 pm 
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It could be, but is very difficult. It sounds simple on paper but there would be a s**t of work involved to get it to operate correctly.

 

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Cramping in the hand from having it on your Wang for an excessive period of time is a definate con.
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