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Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 6:50 pm 
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http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/Artic ... 59953&vf=2

there reducing 10kw for the ss, and 5kw for the v6.. in order to improve fuel efficiency..

wonder if ford would consider going down the same road

 

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Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 7:26 pm 
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ford are already more fuel efficient aren't they?

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Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 7:59 pm 
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ford have produced more pwr while mantaining a reasonable economy for years now.

a lot of people think its to do with the gearing and the fact an i6 wont rev its head off.

 

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Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 8:05 pm 
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An engine that is running more efficient should produce both more power and have better fuel economy.

In the case of the Holden isn't that just a side effect of the cylinder deactivation technology. It's not like it's the same engine and management system tuned to be 10kw less. My point being that it is the new management system technology that is making the fuel saving with the power decrease being a side effect.

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Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 8:16 pm 
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Why would cylinder deactivation have any effect on max power ratings @ WOT?

 

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parts inertia? hmm, maybe a compamise was needed in timing or something

 

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Waggin wrote:
Why would cylinder deactivation have any effect on max power ratings @ WOT?


well for one, a different cam would be required

for some reason i can see this move as a good move in the eyes of consumers, but at the same time, if it were ford that done it, i could swear it will be there down fall..

holden and toyota could sell s**t, and people would buy it these days

 

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Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 9:49 pm 
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thats it hey, take a turd and whack a holden logo on it and all the sheep will be wearing it as ear rings

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Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 10:48 pm 
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As part of the mild engine update, all entry-level Commodore V6s built from November will get 5kW less power, representing a 2.8 per cent reduction. The 175kW power output of the new Commodore for 2009 is identical to that of the 2004 Commodore - and 20kW less than the rival Falcon.

The entry-level Commodore will now consume an average 10.6 litres of fuel every 100 kilometres, down from 10.9L/100km with the outgoing model.


still not as good as the i6 doing low 10's. f**k lol at anyone who buys a new commodore. they are just market bunnies.

 

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why make a hi po v8 more fuel efficient
u buy 1 for it power not its economy


4dlvr wrote:
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Why would cylinder deactivation have any
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well for one, a different cam would be required


why would a new cam be needed?


from what i have read holden actually removed this from the ecus a few yrs ago to help improve peak power

i do hope ford bring the cylinder deactivation to the fg mk2 ( i6 and v8 )be a awesome selling point

 

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i do hope ford bring the cylinder deactivation to the fg mk2 ( i6 and v8 )be a awesome selling point


I reckon they need to put it in there. It's becoming more and more common, and Ford will look like they're behind the game if they don't get it going...

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Watch all the new holden ads talking this s**t up once it comes out.

 

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As part of the mild engine update, all entry-level Commodore V6s built from November will get 5kW less power, representing a 2.8 per cent reduction. The 175kW power output of the new Commodore for 2009 is identical to that of the 2004 Commodore - and 20kW less than the rival Falcon.

The entry-level Commodore will now consume an average 10.6 litres of fuel every 100 kilometres, down from 10.9L/100km with the outgoing model.


still not as good as the i6 doing low 10's. f**k lol at anyone who buys a new commodore. they are just market bunnies.


it wouldn't matter if our cars were doing the same as a commodore equivalent the fact is we're doing it with a bigger motor and more power which is what you want...

 

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I dont think an I6 would run nice on half cylinders. They run beautifully on 6 as they are naturally balanced.
V6 is crap as they are not balanced and require balance shafts.

 

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I dont think an I6 would run nice on half cylinders. They run beautifully on 6 as they are naturally balanced.
V6 is crap as they are not balanced and require balance shafts.


they are not running on half cylinders

they cylinders are shut down in a specific sequence over time

i think u will find it be like 2 cylinders will not fire at a time...


the siully thing is ford has the tech to do it
they do it in the AU falcons if it overheats

 

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1.5litre 4 cylinder Holden Commodore FTW :P
it would also give us a good excuse to tell them to get the little 1 litre crap off the road lol

 

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4dlvr wrote:
Waggin wrote:
Why would cylinder deactivation have any
effect on max power ratings @ WOT?


well for one, a different cam would be required


why would a new cam be needed?





F*#k if i new but it says in the article

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Mr Tamburrini says different camshafts and exhaust tuning were required to accommodate the cylinder deactivation system, resulting in the reduced power and torque figures.

 

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I dont think an I6 would run nice on half cylinders. They run beautifully on 6 as they are naturally balanced.
V6 is crap as they are not balanced and require balance shafts.


they are not running on half cylinders

they cylinders are shut down in a specific sequence over time

i think u will find it be like 2 cylinders will not fire at a time...


the siully thing is ford has the tech to do it
they do it in the AU falcons if it overheats


thats very true, i dont think it will be hard at all since theyv used similar technology in au, and even fg launch control is used by deactivating 3 cylinders "i think" to generate boost

 

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