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Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 1:07 am 
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Just wondering how far is safe to advance an EL while running on premium unleaded fuel.

Would about 10 degrees advanced be safe, considering the knock sensor can back it off? I am pretty certain the EL ECU can control the base ignition timing by +/- 4degrees.

And does anyone have the distance on the harmonic balancer for this left of the timing mark. Would 1cm be about the right distance, left of the timing mark??

I have advance the timing before and noticed a gain but backed it off again because I was worried about doing damage to the engine!

I am also so running Bosch xr6 spark plugs which should be able to handle the hotter combustion temps!

 

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Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 7:47 am 
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i got mine advanced 6degrees and noticed a heap more torque down low. I can only run premium now though just incase the its starts to ping. My plugs need to be changed aswell because at first it felt really good and now its sort of loosing its responsivness

 

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Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 1:18 pm 
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Well I advanced it about 4 degrees just to be safe. Very happy with the results.

 

 

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Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 1:32 pm 
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EL__Fairmont wrote:
Well I advanced it about 4 degrees just to be safe. Very happy with the results.


Yea i was shocked at the difference, i couldn't beleive somthing like that could make it feel so much stronger down low. did you feel the power pick up down low much quicker?

 

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Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 2:02 pm 
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Well I advanced it about 4 degrees just to be safe. Very happy with the results.


Yea i was shocked at the difference, i couldn't beleive somthing like that could make it feel so much stronger down low. did you feel the power pick up down low much quicker?


Yeah it spins up alot easier off the line and feels stronger off the line.

I don't know why i have been stuffing around on different intakes when this has made a better improvement..lol..

The timing was found to be about 1-2 degrees retarded. So yeah bumped it up a bit, even the idle quality is alot smoother.

 

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 Post subject: Re: Advancing timing on EL falcon
Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 12:43 am 
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EL__Fairmont wrote:
I am also so running Bosch xr6 spark plugs which should be able to handle the hotter combustion temps!

An LPG mechanic recommended i fit NGK BB6EY to my dual fuel 6cyl. Any thoughts?

[p.s. i am having somewhat related timing troubles, refer http://www.fordmods.com/forums/post799572.html#799572 ]

 

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Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 11:47 pm 
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Gday guys, Just wondering if you are using the "short the top left pin to ground" method from the manual to check the timing? 2 EL's I checked the timing on today were gutless when I set them "by the book". I just ended up setting them by power... not the best idea as a general rule...
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EL__Fairmont wrote:
Well I advanced it about 4 degrees just to be safe. Very happy with the results.


f**k! if thats 4 deg advance, i must be running about anywhere from 10 to 20! i just happen to find a light the other day and i checked and the timing is WAY out.

still get relitivly good fuel econony tho. just get absolute s**t house performace

 

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Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 1:59 am 
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Well I advanced it about 4 degrees just to be safe. Very happy with the results.


f**k! if thats 4 deg advance, i must be running about anywhere from 10 to 20! i just happen to find a light the other day and i checked and the timing is WAY out.

still get relitivly good fuel econony tho. just get absolute s**t house performace


Are you positive you checked the timing with the ECU in Base ign timing mode. Short the pins, start car, revs rise then fall, wait another 2 minutes then motor nearly stalls. Now you can check the timing.

1.5mm on the balancer equates to 1 degree advance. mines about 6mm from the centre mark, so yeah about 4 degrees advanced. I probably should have taken the photo from the side not right on top of the balancer, the distance is a bit deceptive.

If it's 10-20 degrees advanced the knock sensor via the ECU is only able to retard the timing by 4 degrees max. Your engine should probably be pinging at high rpm under load up a steep hill? Do you get pinging?

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fiftyone wrote:
EL__Fairmont wrote:
Well I advanced it about 4 degrees just to be safe. Very happy with the results.


f**k! if thats 4 deg advance, i must be running about anywhere from 10 to 20! i just happen to find a light the other day and i checked and the timing is WAY out.

still get relitivly good fuel econony tho. just get absolute s**t house performace


Are you the dude that siad you car does 0-100 in like 10seconds or somthing? if you are, get your timing set asap. Im sure thats why yours is not going so good.

 

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i got mine advanced about 10 degrees but i need to retard it a litle bit because some batches of petrol it pings i always use 95ron or more but still some times doggy batches of petrol make it ping

 

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i got mine advanced about 10 degrees but i need to retard it a litle bit because some batches of petrol it pings i always use 95ron or more but still some times doggy batches of petrol make it ping

 

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GeZza200 wrote:
fiftyone wrote:
EL__Fairmont wrote:
Well I advanced it about 4 degrees just to be safe. Very happy with the results.


f**k! if thats 4 deg advance, i must be running about anywhere from 10 to 20! i just happen to find a light the other day and i checked and the timing is WAY out.

still get relitivly good fuel econony tho. just get absolute s**t house performace


Are you the dude that siad you car does 0-100 in like 10seconds or somthing? if you are, get your timing set asap. Im sure thats why yours is not going so good.


mate try the 100 in 12! its dead slow. that pic of the timing light, was that taken with the car in diag mode (paper clip in the fuse box area) to calibrate? cause i did mine normally. it was around here somewhere

 

 

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Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 7:16 pm 
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yeah the photo was taken with the car in Base Ign timing Mode with the pins shorted.

 

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