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 Post subject: Re: EL Fairmont Offroader
Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2010 9:19 pm 
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Put it this way.
Run the car over a rock , have the rock move or the car fall off it. Happens all the time off road.
Drop the weight of the car onto the cable on a sharp piece of rock.
The rock will easily split/pierce the cable.
It may not happen then but further down the track the cable moves around and rubs the exposed conductors against the steel fuel lines. They are connected to the body of the car and are an earth point.
The cable grounds out against the line , dropping 450 odd amps into the line.
The line aint going to stay in one piece for long.
Sparks and fuel dont mix.
Thus why it is also illegal.

 

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 Post subject: Re: EL Fairmont Offroader
Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2010 9:27 pm 
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The essence of the legality is that you have anchored something to the fuel line. If the calbe gets caught and dragged then there is a chance that the anchor point ( the fuel line) could tear, hence a fuel leak, and its not so much as arcing to be worried about but hot driveline components.

Common sense really
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 Post subject: Re: EL Fairmont Offroader
Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2010 9:40 pm 
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Thanks for that. Much appreciated.

 

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 Post subject: Re: EL Fairmont Offroader
Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 10:04 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: EL Fairmont Offroader
Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 3:05 pm 
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what an interesting concept, i have always wondered if someone out there had done it, soo many stories about falcons going where 4x4's cant (traction or something i dunno not my story)

i like the look of this, id go different wheels tho, and with the comment about falling from a rock and smashing fuel line and cable.. even if it wasnt attached to the fuel lines it can still snap both on a rock.. not saying its right or wrong, im just saying its possible to still split both on a rock even if anchored separately. maybe run it down the other side off the hand brake cable?

 

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 Post subject: Re: EL Fairmont Offroader
Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 3:18 pm 
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Here you go, Kingswood on a GQ chassis with a chev diesel!

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I wanna see that done to a falcon :mrgreen:

 

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 Post subject: Re: EL Fairmont Offroader
Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 3:25 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: EL Fairmont Offroader
Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 8:06 pm 
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:D ha this is heaps cool man keep up the good work!
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 Post subject: Re: EL Fairmont Offroader
Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 10:33 am 
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You could fit up AU IRS to the rear of the EL to give you more weight and a little more clearance under the diff.

 

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 Post subject: Re: EL Fairmont Offroader
Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 11:31 am 
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huggiebear wrote:
what an interesting concept, i have always wondered if someone out there had done it, soo many stories about falcons going where 4x4's cant (traction or something i dunno not my story)

Earlier i mentioned that the falcon has as much wheel travel as the average 4wd. It has more than many. It may be quicker for me to tell you how many 4wd's have more travel, than less. It has more than a pajero, jackaroo, and pathfinder for instance. More than most mid-size 4wd's, but less than most full size. Less than a coil sprung patrol, landcruiser, land rover.

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i like the look of this, id go different wheels tho,

I still have the original fairmont alloys but i don't like the look of them and they are only 6.5" wide. Some 16" would look nicer i reckon but then again with more mods so would 20".


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and with the comment about falling from a rock and smashing fuel line and cable.. even if it wasnt attached to the fuel lines it can still snap both on a rock.. not saying its right or wrong, im just saying its possible to still split both on a rock even if anchored separately. maybe run it down the other side off the hand brake cable?

I think the greatest risk is a stick snagging the cable and ripping the fuel line out with it. I was always a bit worried about a stick snagging the cable. But consider that it is mostly well tucked.

You may not be able to detect it but i put the cable inside 13mm clear plastic tubing, i reckon the risk of all that getting graunched off on a rock without me noticing is low.

 

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 Post subject: Re: EL Fairmont Offroader
Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 11:43 am 
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This one and the one behind it may be factory. Ford did a feasability study, created a concept, to my knowledge. And the holden overlander may have spawned from that idea, but not sure.

 

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 Post subject: Re: EL Fairmont Offroader
Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 11:45 am 
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yeah i do recall quite a few of these utes, i remember seeing a red one a few years ago.

there is also an XC 2 door in 4x4 status.. in black, was in street machine but i cant find a pic

 

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 Post subject: Re: EL Fairmont Offroader
Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 12:02 pm 
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MADXF wrote:
You could fit up AU IRS to the rear of the EL to give you more weight and a little more clearance under the diff.

I would really like IRS for tarmac, and for along dirt roads, and as you say in extreme situations the weight would help as well. But in extreme situations it doesn't articulate as well. Overall articulation would be significantly less. A locker would overcome that a lot, but the best falcon offroader using std components would have locker plus solid axle. Clearance under the rear diff is not a limitation at present.

An option would be to try to get a bit more travel out of the IRS, but so too i could get more out of the solid axle. IRS can be made to have as much travel as many solid axle vehicles, the rear suspension of the current IRS Range Rover has 14", but the falcon IRS i would guess to have around 8". More than possibly every IRS passenger car out there, and as much as most IRS offroader's, but not a great offroader spec.

 

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 Post subject: Re: EL Fairmont Offroader
Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 1:11 pm 
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good to see something different.. my mate takes his EB (stock) on
tracks allot, always has some good stories.

anyway hers a pic of a 4x4 corolla
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 Post subject: Re: EL Fairmont Offroader
Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 7:02 pm 
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huggiebear wrote:
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This one and the one behind it may be factory. Ford did a feasability study, created a concept, to my knowledge. And the holden overlander may have spawned from that idea, but not sure.

They were built for the army, I dont recall how many tho.

 

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