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 Post subject: Re: Mick's ED BUILD, Interior finished
Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 10:05 am 
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If you go AU, im going to recommend using an EF ECU and loom, and coil packs. Too many people are destroying AUX shafts with the dizzy.

One thing to remember is the sump clearance issue with an AU motor.
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 Post subject: Re: Mick's ED BUILD, Interior finished
Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 10:12 am 
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no point going EF as they are coil pack and you would have to reset the dizzy in there. with AU motors some people are having issues with the AUX shafts snapping due to the added restrain from the dizzy (designed for coil packs)

i have a tickford EL XR Hybrid motor in my car... not much difference at all over an AU stock motor.

as for things bolting up... XF gearbox's bolt up to AU motors ;) so everything in between will fit


Thanks for your help, an AU motor will be so easy to sorce so ill be looking around and visiting some wreckers.

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If you go AU, im going to recommend using an EF ECU and loom, and coil packs. Too many people are destroying AUX shafts with the dizzy.

One thing to remember is the sump clearance issue with an AU motor.


The sump clearance can be fixed not a problem many ppl have done it, and theres a couple ways to do it.

Any one else have something to add or recommend about what;
- loom
- ecu
- coil pack or dizzy?

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 Post subject: Re: Mick's ED BUILD, What engine? Post now!:)
Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 2:42 pm 
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I am aware of solutions to the sump clearance problem, wanted to make sure you were too.

Basically, whether you get an ED/F/L/AU motor, you could run coilpacks or a dizzy.

You will have to change ECU and Loom for running coilpacks, which won't destroy the aux shaft.
With the coils though, you cannot mechanically adjust timing simply. Unsure whether you can using the sensor that fits on the aux shaft.
I think you may need to run an EL computer for the AU/EL motor (if using a dizzy), unless you want to lose the BBM. You can do this, all the externals will swap across.

I would go AU with EF ECU, and get the EF ECU flashed to the XR tune which is a little more agressive.
The EF ECU will switch the BBM, and also control thermofans automatically. Not sure how they are wired in regards to smartlock etc.

You can use an EL ECU in the same way if you choose to run a dizzy, it also can be flashed to the XR tune, will also switch the BBM and thermos.

SO to summarise, no matter whether ED/F/L/AU:

EL ECU with BBM and DIZZY
EF ECU with BBM and Coilpacks
Your ED ECU with dizzy and log manifold etc.
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 Post subject: Re: Mick's ED BUILD, What engine? Post now!:)
Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 4:48 pm 
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IF you use an EF ECU you WILL need to install the full EF loom as the plugs are nothing alike and wont fit. unless your going to sit there for hours on end adapting wire for wire. also you cant just go EB ECU plug 1 to EF ECU plug 1 as they dont work that way.


so unless your going full EF loom or aftermartket ECU i wouldnt bother with coil packs.

throw in an AU motor change the AUX shaft over with one from your EB motor, drop in the dizzy grind off the sump fins on the front and then match it up to an EL ECU. add the few extra wires in for BBM switching and thermos if you want. tho i prefere the davis craig thermo switch as you have more control over the temp.

 

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 Post subject: Re: Mick's ED BUILD, What engine? Post now!:)
Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 5:07 pm 
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I don't think it is necessary to change the actual Aux shaft. They are the same part no at Ford right through from EA to AU.

What I would recommend doing is to use the cog off the Coil tigger do-hicky (can't remember what it is called lol) on your dizzy.

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 Post subject: Re: Mick's ED BUILD, What engine? Post now!:)
Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 6:06 pm 
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God dam double post in my own thread :evil:

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 Post subject: Re: Mick's ED BUILD, What engine? Post now!:)
Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 7:09 pm 
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Thanks for all your replys and help,

huggiebear wrote:
IF you use an EF ECU you WILL need to install the full EF loom as the plugs are nothing alike and wont fit. unless your going to sit there for hours on end adapting wire for wire. also you cant just go EB ECU plug 1 to EF ECU plug 1 as they dont work that way.


so unless your going full EF loom or aftermartket ECU i wouldnt bother with coil packs.

throw in an AU motor change the AUX shaft over with one from your EB motor, drop in the dizzy grind off the sump fins on the front and then match it up to an EL ECU. add the few extra wires in for BBM switching and thermos if you want. tho i prefere the davis craig thermo switch as you have more control over the temp.


Haha hell no im not sitting any were doing any wiring! EF ecu = fail(hard work).

EL ecu it is!

Ive already got the thermos going from a craig davis kit thou i really would like to relocate the switch, i followed the doco on here and put it in open plain view near air box. It might be worth hooking them up to the ecu because i wouldnt change the temp much if ever, as long as they come on it suits me. Then again just reloctate the switch and keep the kit. I dont like the sound of grinding the fins, plus dads handy with the welder. Im going to research some power figures from the au motors, what series do you guys recommend and VCT or not? we know it can be done thanks to troyman.

BenJ wrote:
I don't think it is necessary to change the actual Aux shaft. They are the same part no at Ford right through from EA to AU.

What I would recommend doing is to use the cog off the Coil tigger do-hicky (can't remember what it is called lol) on your dizzy.

BenJ


In a way sounds good, thanks.

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# 4.0 litre inline six cylinder.
# 157kW @ 4900 rpm.
# 357Nm @ 3000 rpm.

Fairmont Ghia

# 4.0 litre 'VCT' inline six cylinder.
# 168kW @ 5000 rpm (up from 162kW @ 4900 rpm in EL).
# 370Nm @ 3500 rpm (up from 361Nm @ 3000 rpm in EL).

XR6 HP standard equipment (over Futura)

# 4.0 litre 'HP' straight six featuring:
# 164 kW @ 5000 rpm.
# 366 Nm @ 3150 rpm.

XR6 VCT standard equipment over XR6 HP

* 4.0 litre SOHC I6 with Variable Cam Timing.
* 172 kW @ 5000 rpm.
* 370 Nm @ 3500 rpm

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 Post subject: Re: Mick's ED BUILD, What engine? Post now!:)
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well if your not keen on wireing stick to non VCT. as for picking the correct one from a wreckers on a create... good luck. take your pick and go for it

 

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 Post subject: Re: Mick's ED BUILD, What engine? Post now!:)
Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 8:08 pm 
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huggiebear wrote:
well if your not keen on wireing stick to non VCT. as for picking the correct one from a wreckers on a create... good luck. take your pick and go for it


Im with Huggiebear on this one, stick with non VCT if you plan on keeping wiring to a minimum, it will be a lot easier. Dont get me wrong, AU XR6 VCT in an ED would be awesome :mrgreen:

Have you thought about dropping in a early EL XR6 (non hybrid) donk?

 

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 Post subject: Re: Mick's ED BUILD, Interior finished
Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 8:53 pm 
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itlookslikeaxr6 wrote:


EF is basicly bottom of range and not much better than ED,



Michael


Umm what? Dont forget EF motors have same power figures as EL and AU. Also, my engine and complete wiring setup is EF, and my car goes like a cut cat, massive increase over boxcar engine/management setups.

I know it easier for you to keep dizzy, unless you got a complete donor car like i did, just dont be so quick to write off the old EF's. :)

 

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 Post subject: Re: Mick's ED BUILD, What engine? Post now!:)
Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 9:03 pm 
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Umm what? Dont forget EF motors have same power figures as EL and AU. Also, my engine and complete wiring setup is EF, and my car goes like a cut cat, massive increase over boxcar engine/management setups.

I know it easier for you to keep dizzy, unless you got a complete donor car like idea, just dont be so quick to write off the old EF's. :)


I'll second that, the old EF's if kept in reasonable condition go very hard :mrgreen:

 

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 Post subject: Re: Mick's ED BUILD, What engine? Post now!:)
Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 10:10 pm 
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Thanks again for all your comments and opinions,

KWIKXR, PIMP_LTD, other EF motor owner/users.

I apologise as i had no intension to down grade nor bad mouth the EF motors. My comment had no supporting evidence or information. It was infact a rushed remark made without proper thought as i was just trying to get to the point that i would like an AU motor.


Im going to study Troymans thread as his got a vct in his ED, maybe he would be interested in helping out with some wiring.

Regards,

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Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 11:54 pm 
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What's a little wiring..... :P

It is alot of work. But look at Pimps setup. I love it.
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Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 12:04 am 
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The wiring comment was aimed towards the remark made by huggiebear

huggiebear wrote:
IF you use an EF ECU you WILL need to install the full EF loom as the plugs are nothing alike and wont fit. unless your going to sit there for hours on end adapting wire for wire. also you cant just go EB ECU plug 1 to EF ECU plug 1 as they dont work that way.


Im not fully against doing wiring just not confident with it, as long as i am provided/find suffcient information(which this site is full of) i will atempt the AU VCT conversion.
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Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 10:07 am 
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Do you have a mate that can do it?

Its really easy. REALLY easy.

I suggest if you want to go down that path, go and buy a soldering iron, heatgun, some proper wire strippers, a reel of wire and some heatshrink. You can get portable soldering irons with a heatgun tip, not sure how good they are.

Then start practicing!
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