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Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 10:10 pm 
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haggis wrote:

320nm @ 2000rpm (90hp)
367nm @ 3000rpm (155hp)
386nm @ 3500rpm (190hp)
410nm @ 4000rpm (230hp)
395nm @ 4500rpm (250hp)
370nm @ 5000rpm (260hp)

These are rough figures taken using: torque = (HP*5252) / RPM and the dyno graph.

Then i converted the lb-ft to nm using this


Nice work haggis.

Can you do this one for a comparison?

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Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 10:15 pm 
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Scaffy I try not to pretend I know something that I don't especially when in the company of you, Jeff, Schnoods, XR9UTE, TerroristGHIA etc. I look like a fool if I did. It has been a learning experience for me and now when someone wants a mild combo without massive expense I can point them to my thread and answer questions in my league. Thanks for the compliment.


Haha... My knowledge is minimal compared to those guys... I'm very much still in the learning stages...

 

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Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 10:29 pm 
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XH5LWEPN wrote:
haggis wrote:

320nm @ 2000rpm (90hp)
367nm @ 3000rpm (155hp)
386nm @ 3500rpm (190hp)
410nm @ 4000rpm (230hp)
395nm @ 4500rpm (250hp)
370nm @ 5000rpm (260hp)

These are rough figures taken using: torque = (HP*5252) / RPM and the dyno graph.

Then i converted the lb-ft to nm using this


Nice work haggis.

Can you do this one for a comparison?

Cheers
Jeff

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337nm @ 2000rpm (95hp)
394nm @ 2700rpm (150hp) - I was curious :P
427nm @ 3000rpm (180hp)
447nm @ 3500rpm (220hp)
452nm @ 4000rpm (255hp)
458nm @ 4500rpm (290hp)
447nm @ 5000rpm (315hp)

Also, 330lb-ft = 447nm. Very nice man :)

 

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Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 10:33 pm 
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Sorry Jeff. Somehow I didn't read that bit of your post about the other graphs. So here they are.


Flywheel Torque graph
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Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 11:15 pm 
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Cheers Haggis, some interesting figures there.

I take it they are rear-wheel torque figures?

Timmeh, its certainly a nice fat torque curve you've got there, i'd definately be looking at launching between 3500-4500rpm in September down the 'Plex.

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Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 11:43 pm 
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Chris at bluepower said there might have been a few extra kilowatts on top of this if I had of had a descent cold air setup. It was gulping down hot air from under the hood :roll:.

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Chris at bluepower said there might have been a few extra kilowatts on top of this if I had of had a descent cold air setup. It was gulping down hot air from under the hood :roll:.

http://blufiles.storage.live.com/y1pE4I ... -okriDIU2D


well bugger me !!!! here we go "again" want to see how to make good gains for the $ spent like timmeh has done....& have to put up with reading crap like this!!!!
whom still is to offer a reason for his....ummm....great time's at calder last meet.....as has been said before!!!!....have'nt you got your own thread? or are you a serial thread highjacker? :shock:
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Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 3:48 pm 
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XH5LWEPN wrote:
Cheers Haggis, some interesting figures there.

I take it they are rear-wheel torque figures?

Timmeh, its certainly a nice fat torque curve you've got there, i'd definately be looking at launching between 3500-4500rpm in September down the 'Plex.

Jeff


To be honest i don't know mate i can only make the assumption that it is, i just knew that if you have 2 of the 3 (hp, torque and rpm) you can work the other one out. Does using a gear other than 1:1, or changing the diff ratio change the hp reading on a dyno? I am curious to know why the numbers i came up with a different than that on Timmehs print out.

 

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Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 4:44 pm 
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Yeah they'd be rear wheel torque, cause you've calculated off rwhp.
So a bit more at the flywheel.
Real rough calc is to add 22%.
So Jeffs 458 would be 558nm, and Timmehs 410 would be 500nm.
I'd say those figures are pretty realistic IMO.

 

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Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 6:27 pm 
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After giving a go today I was rolling along in 1st gear doing about 20kph then I planted my foot and I got massive wheel spin.
Didn't try it in second cause the driveway isn't that long.

Can't believe I got wheelspin without using the clutch.

Awesomeness.

 

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Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 6:40 pm 
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^^Hahaha cool :) Be careful u don't pop your T5 doin that Timmeh ;) And haggis, awesome with the calculations! that makes my peak rearwheel torque roughly 493nM I think.

 

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Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 7:08 pm 
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Timmeh wrote:

Can't believe I got wheelspin without using the clutch.

Awesomeness.


haha..... thats a problem i could do without

i guess 3.7 diff and 3.5 first gear, doesnt help :)
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Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 9:31 pm 
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Sorry to but in, but haggis, would you care to calc my figures as well. Both NA and on GAS
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Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 9:41 pm 
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Timmeh wrote:
After giving a go today I was rolling along in 1st gear doing about 20kph then I planted my foot and I got massive wheel spin.
Didn't try it in second cause the driveway isn't that long.


You were doing this on your driveway? :?

 

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