This is amazing!!! The research and help of designs and electrolyte is very good. I am only uo to page 2 but this stuff will help us all...........

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable ... s-ect.html

You need to be able to make 4 L/min to be able to idle a small motor - I believe.
Then you need more like 16 L/min to drive a decent sized motor.
This can be achieved by using Very Sophisticated Electronics.
Bob Boyce states that you require three waveforms - at freq like
11 kHz , 24 khz , 41 KHz.... or some combination like that [ depends upon
your unit.
Oh and a unit say with 90 Plates or maybe more.
This is a Serious Engineering task - but is possible, I have heard of some that have done it
but They would prefer to be unnamed.
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The Battery box is interesting. I have cut one apart to try using, but they are quite flimsy
once cut apart. Perspex is far more rigid.
A lot of the You tube videos whilst look good , dont produce the Gas outputs we need.

[quote="Glenn40
This is a Serious Engineering task - but is possible, I have heard of some that have done it
but They would prefer to be unnamed.
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.[/quote]
This person I presume would not like to end up like our meyers friend!!!
Bloody fuel empires are a***hole....
anything for a dollar.....


Thanks heaps I have my target.........
10 to 16 litres per minute.

Might need to install a 24Volt alt with a reducer for normal motor stuff to even try to produce those sort of numbers!!!!
6 to 12 systems in parallell.....
try http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qnu7ug6Yz18
Now that is a setup... Look at his other vids 3 to 4 of his will get you going...BIG TIME!

[quote="Glenn40
This is a Serious Engineering task - but is possible, I have heard of some that have done it
but They would prefer to be unnamed.
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.[/quote]
This person I presume would not like to end up like our meyers friend!!!
Bloody fuel empires are a***hole....
anything for a dollar.....


Thanks heaps I have my target.........
10 to 16 litres per minute.

Might need to install a 24Volt alt with a reducer for normal motor stuff to even try to produce those sort of numbers!!!!
6 to 12 systems in parallell.....
try http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qnu7ug6Yz18
Now that is a setup... Look at his other vids 3 to 4 of his will get you going...BIG TIME!

That unit that you showed on You Tube is so nicely built, far better than I have done thus far.
But it would be in the order of 2.3 L /min 12.5 A at 31 V = 387.5 W
[ if it were very efficient - and by the look of this one it was Not efficient.....
that small bubbler would be almost all gas at 2.3 L /min ]
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Now here's what I'm talking about...see link

http://oupower.com/index.php?dir=_My_Pr ... PageNum=55
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Even this 170 Plate unit would need Fancy Electronics to be able to run
at high efficiency enough to completely power a car. but again it is possible.
Glenn

maybe u need a setup like this...

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2 bits worth for the machining task.
to machine slots in the perspex just use a circular saw. if you are carefull and set up some guides you can cut very nice slots. At my last job we had a milling machine and I learned all about machining various materials, At home though, I don't have the best toys to use. Another idea is to use a router.
MEK or methy elthyl keytone will melt the panels together effectively. This stuff is nasty and a known carcinogen so be very careful. look up the MSDS for any chemical you are planning on using. Most chemical manufacturers have safety guides on their websites.
On the subject of LPG. LPG is higher octane than petrol. You can run much higher compression ratios. In fact there are diesel engines being converted to lpg with awesome results. As Glenn has suggested the computer keeps adding fuel to compensate the increased oxygen in the exhaust so we need to modify the output of the HEGO sensor. I need to get into the ear of the engineers at the Uni where I work so they can try it all on their research dyno's. I have been too damn busy to get any time to go and yarn with them. I am very impressed with the progress so far guys. Keep up the good work.

what the hell is that for garth?
ICE?
5000watt stereo!

There is So Much information here , that you will be Spun Out.!
But I would draw your attention to the section of Bob Boyce.......
thats after section 10-68 about half way through the document.
http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/Chapter10.pdf
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If you make a unit as per Bob's specs and run the circuitry stated.
You will have more Hydroxy than you could ever use on a car.
It is Expensive and difficult to get right - but thats the challenge.
Glenn

dunno what they did it for but looks useful for someone wanting to produce hydroxy.

Or a Really BIG Sound System...!!!!!

Update, been a month since my last posting:
My 3 W4G wire cells were drawing 7.6 amps in parrallel and producing just over 1 lpm measured with the highly accurate 2litre coke bottle!!!
These were made up with .8mm wire as prescribed with the EFIE finaly set at 425 millivolts.
Last weekend, I changed the 3 cells for my new ones. These were made with 1.2mm wire (stainless single strand fishing wire from BCF). This wire is nice and soft and much easier to work with than previous wire.
With the same 2 flat teespoons of baking soda, in parrallel, they are drawing nearly 14 amps. I have upgraded the relay to a 30amp. The coke bottle now fills in about 50 seconds! - I estimate about 2.2 lpm.
On the road it is obviously much stronger and the EFIE is tweeked again to 450 millivolts. Being fitted in front of the radiator (as per the previous picture) they are still only getting slightly warm. The relay gets hotter than the jars!
I am going to build/fit one of the digital mixture meters from Jaycar so I will be able to see exactly what the mixture is doing. I'll post the details once known.

refer to earlier posts the ego sensor will read lean with hydoxy systems cos creates more oxygen when burns. thus sensor says lean which is why u need to trick computer!!!!

am going to make my own system using 316 mesh small round holes thruout. should give awesome surface area... hope

the system is intended for the xb ute which is having lpg fitted along with an ego sensor and jaycar display. engine is a 250 crossflow iron head will keep posted if u like!!!!

yes please, keep us posted - especially details of how u build it & amps, lpm, mileage, etc.