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{USERNAME} wrote: maybe they dont want to push the power figures too far and cause a "horse power" scare like that of the '70's. thats the last thing any of us want! I follow your meaning here but just wanted to note that there are so many much faster and more powerful vehicles on Australian soil these days ( read; exotic imported supercars ) that if s**t was genuinely going to hit the fan over a powerful new production car on our roads via the media, then Ferrari and Lamborghini etc etc would probably lash out at the media and claim scaremongering for ratings. {USERNAME} wrote: Additional, additional; CHE have sucked/captured/bin-dumped the tune so it can be compared to the first customer car they get. Hehe, so both yourself and CHE have considered the same thoughts as myself and perhaps others?  Anyhow, hopefully it's a legit standard tune that all production FPV's will have and that Ford have finally pulled their finger out and released a proper sports car instead of playing it safe. One day I may even be able to afford a second hand one of these and enjoy the experience.
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{USERNAME} wrote: {USERNAME} wrote: maybe they dont want to push the power figures too far and cause a "horse power" scare like that of the '70's. thats the last thing any of us want! I follow your meaning here but just wanted to note that there are so many much faster and more powerful vehicles on Australian soil these days ( read; exotic imported supercars ) that if s**t was genuinely going to hit the fan over a powerful new production car on our roads via the media, then Ferrari and Lamborghini etc etc would probably lash out at the media and claim scaremongering for ratings. i know there are many faster and more powerful cars on the road, but how many are around a similar price range, there wouldnt be that many. and the government only really want to stop the masses not the minority. i couldnt see any backlash coming from any supercar company such as ferrari or lamborghini, because at the end of the day, the cars they produce are very expensive and not available to the average motorist. and what influence would the australian government have on a foreign company? i think very little, where as a local company there would be a large amount of pain for any non-compliance with any crap that a government legislated against. maybe they just want to underestimate the power so when HSV think they are close, they are still miles behind. |
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I think marketing is playing a big part here.
HSV GTS makes 325kw with a 6.2L, so FPV has marketed this as having an extra 10kw over them but they've realised it would take more than that to make them competitive because of the extra weight of the GT, the skinnier tyres (FFS put some 265s or something on already), and the way the 6.2 delivers its power. If this motor had a genuine 335fwkw it would still be slower than the HSV counterparts... I cant wait to see this run a mid, even low 12 1/4 mile, stock... |
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{USERNAME} wrote: {USERNAME} wrote: True for the turbo 6's, but did they understate the 8's? I can see why they'd want to avoid cannibalising sales of the 'most powerful' models they offer in the case of F6 vs GT, but in this case i can't see why they'd deliberately be modest, especially given the headroom they have for improvement. maybe they dont want to push the power figures too far and cause a "horse power" scare like that of the '70's. thats the last thing any of us want! The Miami/Coyote engine is the kind of leap forward that the LS1 was about ten years ago. About all a "225kw" VT2 5.7L needs to make more like 300kw (engine) is an exhaust, a cam and a tune. The best thing about all this is the LS1 boys are now spouting on about how power isn't everything and the E series is 'better' in other ways.
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{USERNAME} wrote: {USERNAME} wrote: {USERNAME} wrote: Additional, additional; CHE have sucked/captured/bin-dumped the tune so it can be compared to the first customer car they get. Hehe, so both yourself and CHE have considered the same thoughts as myself and perhaps others? Anyhow, hopefully it's a legit standard tune that all production FPV's will have and that Ford have finally pulled their finger out and released a proper sports car instead of playing it safe. One day I may even be able to afford a second hand one of these and enjoy the experience. We're simply looking to eliminate the doubt that some still have.
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{USERNAME} wrote: maybe they just want to underestimate the power so when HSV think they are close, they are still miles behind. I'm going to go along with that train of thought. 
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In the US, same engine, minor mods is producing 800hp at the flywheel. Yank's don't quote RWHP. If you average the GT's RWKW you get say 330RWKW. Does this mean allowing for 25% lost on the drive train we have 440FWKW? 800RWHP roughly converts to 600KW, meaning with few call to the good ol US of A and some airfreight you will have a car punching 600RWHP or rough conversion 450RWKW. Times are going to get interesting that is for sure. Remember these Aussie runs are with a 1.9L Eaton Charger. Eaton developing a direct bolt up upgrade, 2.5L?
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The 114mph trap speed (and 1940kg with Roy in it) points to something like just over 500hp at the fly', at least that's what it used/needed to get to that speed. There are lots of theories as to why it read so high on even the second dyno, but the Boss 335 has AT LEAST 375kw, which is still 40 more than is claimed.
Yes, a 1.9L unit is tiny for an engine that makes this much power. A larger unit (with an intercooler) will surely see these motors make A LOT more power. 
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no you don't, just have to agree to forum rules.
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Thank you for that.
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how do two dynos give a 25rwkw difference in power, like i know dynos differ but 25rwkw?!?!?!?!,
im not surprised the new boss produces more power then stated, new engine thats supercharged and it only produces 20 more kws then the previous 5.4L, that would just be silly
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{USERNAME} wrote: im not surprised the new boss produces more power then stated, new engine thats supercharged and it only produces 20 more kws then the previous 5.4L, that would just be silly no it's not, use your brain. you spend big bucks developing a new motor, why would you release it making its maximum possible power? it leaves no scope for further power upgrades in following models. not to mention there will already be some sour grapes from FG GT buyers, can you imagine if they made it even more powerful? it'd be a f**k you to everyone who bought an FG GT.
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{USERNAME} wrote: {USERNAME} wrote: im not surprised the new boss produces more power then stated, new engine thats supercharged and it only produces 20 more kws then the previous 5.4L, that would just be silly no it's not, use your brain. you spend big bucks developing a new motor, why would you release it making its maximum possible power? it leaves no scope for further power upgrades in following models. not to mention there will already be some sour grapes from FG GT buyers, can you imagine if they made it even more powerful? it'd be a f**k you to everyone who bought an FG GT. Holden have done that with every model from VS commodore onwards and the dingbat bogans still front up to the dealer every year and a half wanting to trade up to the latest model. |
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