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Hey guys
Was hoping someone could explain what a shift kit is and how its differant to the eco/pwr button on the btr's? Probably a stupid question I know but Im under the impression that a shift kit only changes when the gearbox shifts - if thats the case wouldnt that be the same as the eco/pwr button? Sorry couldnt do a search coz im outta internet credit so im on my phone . . . . Any help is appreciated Cheers Grant |
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| KWIKXR |
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Shiftkits change the firmness between shifts whereas the economy/power button changes when the gearbox shifts into the next gear i.e power mode holds the gears longer and economy changes gears sooner.
A shiftkit will reduce the time it takes to shift between gears so it will make the shift into the next gear feel noticeably firmer/sharper. Stock BTR's have a kind of "slipping" effect between gear changes to make the shifts smooth and less noticeable for the driver - fitting a shiftkit does the opposite of that and makes shifts "snappier" and while doing so, can reduce the heat built up in the box between shifts. That was probably a s**t explanation of it, but that's all i could come up with 
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Also if your looking to buy one there is some cheap ones on ebay atm exactley the same as the ones others are charging 100+ for:
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/EA-EB-ED-EF-EL-Shift-Kit-Adjustable-Roar-Performance_W0QQitemZ300405570068QQcategoryZ32094QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp3907.m263QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DSI%26itu%3DUCI%26otn%3D15%26po%3DLVI%26ps%3D54 |
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KWIKXR wrote: Shiftkits change the firmness between shifts whereas the economy/power button changes when the gearbox shifts into the next gear i.e power mode holds the gears longer and economy changes gears sooner. A shiftkit will reduce the time it takes to shift between gears so it will make the shift into the next gear feel noticeably firmer/sharper. Stock BTR's have a kind of "slipping" effect between gear changes to make the shifts smooth and less noticeable for the driver - fitting a shiftkit does the opposite of that and makes shifts "snappier" and while doing so, can reduce the heat built up in the box between shifts. That was probably a s**t explanation of it, but that's all i could come up with Nah cheers mate that was exactly what I was looking for  Thanks for the help bud - heaps clearer now  Cheers Grant |
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maca_404 wrote: Also if your looking to buy one there is some cheap ones on ebay atm exactley the same as the ones others are charging 100+ for: http://cgi.ebay.com.au/EA-EB-ED-EF-EL-Shift-Kit-Adjustable-Roar-Performance_W0QQitemZ300405570068QQcategoryZ32094QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp3907.m263QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DSI%26itu%3DUCI%26otn%3D15%26po%3DLVI%26ps%3D54 Nah not looking at one just yet - gotta get my car goin first lol Maybe sometime in the future now that I know what sorta differance it makes Thanks for the link though mate - will keep it in mind Cheers Grant |
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If you make your own it won't cost as much, mine cost about 12 dollars all up from jaycar. Here is a link with diagrams and instruction on how to make it. Some people put a potentiometer in there so you have a knob to give you variable adjustments but i just had a switch to turn it on and off. This might set you back another 5-8 dollars tho for the pot
 Its a piece of piss to put together and works very well, just be cautious in the wet - even with low revs it could snap gears halfway around a corner and kick it out if you forget you have it turned on. Here's the link gearbox-suspension-brake-driveline-f4/shift-kit-do-it-yourself-t2378.html?hilit=home%20made%20shift%20kit
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presto wrote: If you make your own it won't cost as much, mine cost about 12 dollars all up from jaycar. Here is a link with diagrams and instruction on how to make it. Some people put a potentiometer in there so you have a knob to give you variable adjustments but i just had a switch to turn it on and off. This might set you back another 5-8 dollars tho for the pot Its a piece of piss to put together and works very well, just be cautious in the wet - even with low revs it could snap gears halfway around a corner and kick it out if you forget you have it turned on. Here's the link gearbox-suspension-brake-driveline-f4/shift-kit-do-it-yourself-t2378.html?hilit=home%20made%20shift%20kit Ah s**t hot thanks mate Hell of alot better that payin $100 give or take - rather make my own
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Couple of points:
1.As yours is an V8, there have not been many if any people that i know of that have made shift kits (the DIY method) last time i checked. You may have to be the guinea pig. 2. Research reliability. I admit I know little on the topic, but some say it is a gearbox killer. The boxes are simply not designed to shift with this speed/force. You could be left a couple of G's out of pocket if your gearbox goes bang. This alone has prevented me from looking further into shift kits.
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i6_demon wrote: presto wrote: If you make your own it won't cost as much, mine cost about 12 dollars all up from jaycar. Here is a link with diagrams and instruction on how to make it. Some people put a potentiometer in there so you have a knob to give you variable adjustments but i just had a switch to turn it on and off. This might set you back another 5-8 dollars tho for the pot Its a piece of piss to put together and works very well, just be cautious in the wet - even with low revs it could snap gears halfway around a corner and kick it out if you forget you have it turned on. Here's the link gearbox-suspension-brake-driveline-f4/shift-kit-do-it-yourself-t2378.html?hilit=home%20made%20shift%20kit Ah s**t hot thanks mate Hell of alot better that payin $100 give or take - rather make my own I made diagrams for adjustable ones, dunno if I have the ef v8 one though because you need to hook up the tcm and its still a grey area, can check tomorrow if youd like. Costs a bit more and a bit more wiring and space is needed but worth it for adjustable. Pretty sure those ones in that thread wont work for a v8
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thepistonhead wrote: Couple of points: 1.As yours is an V8, there have not been many if any people that i know of that have made shift kits (the DIY method) last time i checked. You may have to be the guinea pig. 2. Research reliability. I admit I know little on the topic, but some say it is a gearbox killer. The boxes are simply not designed to shift with this speed/force. You could be left a couple of G's out of pocket if your gearbox goes bang. This alone has prevented me from looking further into shift kits. There has been one, a brave soul that took the info I gave him and experimented with different resistors until he found it. I can definately tell you the pin numbers at least though if I cant find the thread but should be able to. Dont remember if it was a v8 though Some say that, you get these naysayers, and they come and they say nay. I dont think there is any harm to be done to the box, my AU has adaptive shift and it shift harder sometimes then the shiftkit in my eb and ef did, so much so Ive got belt slip on a few occasions, if ford did it, it must be able to handle it. Gearbox will be safe (dont hold me reposnible though). However, if my belt didnt slip those few times I reckon an engine mount or worse could have happened. As usual, keep it under control and you'll be OK
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93_eb_fairmont wrote: There has been one, a brave soul that took the info I gave him and experimented with different resistors until he found it. I can definately tell you the pin numbers at least though if I cant find the thread but should be able to. Dont remember if it was a v8 though sorry i read his name as i6 demon and assumed, didnt check his ride was a v8 tho. here is the link to the v8 shift kit.. boy did he get involved working this out! good to see you guys putting heads together to come up with a solution, well done to you and wrexed03 ecu-fuel-system-eec-f21/here-it-is-v8-shift-kit-diagram-t86963.html?hilit=shift%20kit%20v8%20shift%20kit&start=20/
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presto wrote: 93_eb_fairmont wrote: There has been one, a brave soul that took the info I gave him and experimented with different resistors until he found it. I can definately tell you the pin numbers at least though if I cant find the thread but should be able to. Dont remember if it was a v8 though sorry i read his name as i6 demon and assumed, didnt check his ride was a v8 tho. here is the link to the v8 shift kit.. boy did he get involved working this out! good to see you guys putting heads together to come up with a solution, well done to you and wrexed03 ecu-fuel-system-eec-f21/here-it-is-v8-shift-kit-diagram-t86963.html?hilit=shift%20kit%20v8%20shift%20kit&start=20/ Yeah, he's a champ, personally I wouldnt have gone to that length to get it working but fordmods is based on ingenuity and its great he did. Ive been saying it for months, but soon I will compile all my diagrams, along with that one, and come up with diagrams for dual stage kits aswell. Just a time/motivation thing at the moment, I dont really have either.
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im sure alot of people look forward to it, should save alot of searching and repeat questions
 judging by your signature tho, it looks like you have more intense things to get on with than squiggle up some diagrams... 
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Ther was a guy I new from Oberon in a ed xr8 who gave his car a shift kit and it worked very well. I was about talked into the same mod for my ef but then he had some family probs and moved away before I could find out more. Must admit his car was fun to drive.
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