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 Post subject: ba heater/AC wiring
Posted: Wed May 06, 2015 5:11 pm 
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Can anyone help with a wiring diagram for the heater and AC.

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 Post subject: Re: ba heater/AC wiring
Posted: Wed May 06, 2015 5:16 pm 
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It's over a few pages... What specifically do you want to know?

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 Post subject: Re: ba heater/AC wiring
Posted: Thu May 07, 2015 12:01 am 
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I have a BA heater/aircon unit which I am fitting to my 60 Studebaker Hawk and I need to know how to drive the air direction vanes.
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 Post subject: Re: ba heater/AC wiring
Posted: Thu May 07, 2015 12:13 am 
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You fitting in all the canbus stuff to make it happen? The HIM module is driven by canbus amongst other things...

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 Post subject: Re: ba heater/AC wiring
Posted: Thu May 07, 2015 12:24 am 
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Now I will have to think about this. I did not expect that. Is the heater control unit stand alone. IE can I just buy the controls such as: http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/FORD-BA-FALCON-ICC-UNIT-CD-PLAYER-RADIO-HEATER-CONTROLS-2-/251866440534?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_15&hash=item3aa468e356
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 Post subject: Re: ba heater/AC wiring
Posted: Thu May 07, 2015 1:22 am 
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God no...

The ICC will not work until paired to the BEM... Comes up with a security error... It will not turn on until it receives a can wake up request... From there I'm not sure how much other info is required from other sensors and similar...

It definitely talks to the PCM as the fan in my turbo will not run on heat until the motor warms up... It also receives speedo signal from the cluster module... As when I've had a flat battery it logs a speedo signal fault...

Attached is just the CAN topography...
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So that heater control as you call is the ICC module shown... It is wired to the BEM which is then wired to the HIM is the HVAC Inegrated Module which is the unit full of motors to run the heaterbox shafts and fan... Fair chance it wont do anything until you have the key and barrel hooked up to drive it (which would all need to be coded in together to function and avoid the security error)...

If you want standalone climate control you'll have to adopt it from an earlier vehicle... The AU run a more simple communications network and it possibly could be retrofited (would require more research)...

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 Post subject: Re: ba heater/AC wiring
Posted: Thu May 07, 2015 9:32 am 
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Thanks TimmyA.
Too much technology fo a simlpe thing.
I have a heater core, an evaporator and a fan with some vanes directing the air. It is only the air flow I need to control the rest is easy.
I have not looked in this HIM module yet but it looks like electric actuators. It Cannot be too hard to make them move. I guess it was the wiring diagram for the HIM that I was interested in.
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 Post subject: Re: ba heater/AC wiring
Posted: Thu May 07, 2015 12:15 pm 
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I'll check later...

Most of the driving is done via the canbus network but... Again nothing will work until it is connected to all its mating modules...

To make it run crude you'd have pull it to bits... Turf the electronics and make your own driver board and controls depending how it actually drives the arms (stepper or similar motors)...

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 Post subject: Re: ba heater/AC wiring
Posted: Thu May 07, 2015 6:42 pm 
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Here you go then...

Climate Control stuff (HIM)

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BF_MKII_Vol3_Group7_Climate Control.pdf [520.01 KiB]
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And Entertainment System (ICC)

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As I suspected...Entirely driven through Canbus... You can't see the link between the two drawings because the link is on the topography drawing I attached last night...

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 Post subject: Re: ba heater/AC wiring
Posted: Thu May 07, 2015 11:24 pm 
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Well I had a look inside the HIM module and then put it back together.
I think I made a mistake thinking I could use this heater box.
What a nightmare. There is more electronics in that HIM than an entire PC motherboard.
I will look for something a little easier to adapt.
Building a megasquirt for the 302 is much easier.
Thanks for your help and assistance Tim. Much appreciated.
Allan.
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 Post subject: Re: ba heater/AC wiring
Posted: Thu May 07, 2015 11:36 pm 
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Yeah no worries at all...

Attached is the Au manual and auto climate control wiring if you decide to adapt one stage earlier heaterbox...

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 Post subject: Re: ba heater/AC wiring
Posted: Fri May 08, 2015 12:26 am 
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That looks better I can follow that.
I will look for an AU Heater unit.
You may or may not be interested but here is a pic of the project.
It's not a Ford but it is Ford powered.
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 Post subject: Re: ba heater/AC wiring
Posted: Fri May 08, 2015 7:55 am 
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Looks pretty neat man... Nice and work on a car that has no body!...

Cheers,
Tim

 

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 Post subject: Re: ba heater/AC wiring
Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2015 8:01 pm 
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Hi Guys.
Getting a lot closer with this project.
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I need a little help with this.
Does anyone have a circuit diagram for this please?
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The diagram in the post above is not for this control unit.
so before I reverse engineer it I will ask as it would make it easier.

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 Post subject: Re: ba heater/AC wiring
Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2015 8:17 pm 
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The diagram above for the manual climate should be pretty close... These are a series 1 so possibly a wire colour different or two, work the same way but resistor network and relay for the fan motor and the other switches are signals to the PCM, etc...

These series 1 sets were a PITA as they have a catch that breaks in the recycle switch and it wont stay clicked on... Locking it to either recycle or fresh full time (can't remember which now)... If you can fit an AU 2 style set that'd be better in the long run for you...

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/2002-Ford-AU ... 419997ee29

Up to you but... I might have a non genuine series 1 diagram, I'll have a look later...

Cheers,
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