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 Post subject: Re: EF vs AU cam position sensor
Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 3:12 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: EF vs AU cam position sensor
Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 3:21 pm 
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those manuals don't detail the sensor voltage.
it might be easier to think of it physically.
are they both hall effect?

 

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 Post subject: Re: EF vs AU cam position sensor
Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 10:27 pm 
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I just bought the manual from the site SWC posted... Best $21 I ever spent... Fantastic manual all bookmarked and hyperlinked and appears to be the genuine manual (at least it's all set out like the genuine manuals are)... Those guys did a fantastic job on the S2 manual...

Still I can't find a voltage anywhere... This is the most information I can find:

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And this which may or may not help you for everything else

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If it's going to be in the book, where will it be?

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 Post subject: Re: EF vs AU cam position sensor
Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 10:47 pm 
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in that manual it says the CMP function is described in "control systems"
is there any more info there?
anyway, at least now we know its a VR sensor.
i believe the EF one is also, but i'll have to actually look into that.
if they are both VR sensors then they should have some give in what they look for as a trigger voltage and i believe they would be interchangable.

do you have a multimeter tim?

 

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 Post subject: Re: EF vs AU cam position sensor
Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 10:58 pm 
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Here is it's function from control systems:

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Not very exciting...

Crankshaft sensor is... There is graphs and numbers and info on what the computer sees and outputs... And then Camshaft sensor basically says it's a cam shaft sensor...

Do I own a multimeter... That's a rude question to ask an electrician... :P I have myself a Fluke... :mrgreen:

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 Post subject: Re: EF vs AU cam position sensor
Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 11:01 pm 
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haha sorry i asked :P

would you be able to measure it at the ECU? :D

the EF sensors is a hall effect sensor, i just checked it. i still think even if the voltages are different, as long as they're close it should be fine.
at least in this instance its only one tooth and a gap, rather than something that has alot of teeth, so the ECU is only looking for an either or value, not figuring out speed or such like some VR sensors are used for.

 

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 Post subject: Re: EF vs AU cam position sensor
Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 11:23 pm 
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Yeah no worries... So without me looking what am I measuring for? About 8VDC? And across the sensor or between one wire and earth or...? Engine Running and engine stopped values?

I'm away with work for a week but can do it next weekend...

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 Post subject: Re: EF vs AU cam position sensor
Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 12:17 am 
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would be best to test it just at the pins.
pin 8 is negative
85 is positive

maybe also check against pin 91 as another earth which is signal return to see if its any different.
the value should be the same with its running or stopped, depending on where the reluctor is obviously lol.
we really have no idea how much voltage it will be but EF is approx 1v to 8v approx at either end of the scale.

thanks heaps mate :)

 

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 Post subject: Re: EF vs AU cam position sensor
Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 3:20 pm 
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When are you back timmy?

 

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 Post subject: Re: EF vs AU cam position sensor
Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 5:37 pm 
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Back now... Will get onto it tomorrow...

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 Post subject: Re: EF vs AU cam position sensor
Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2013 11:12 pm 
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Howd ya go timmy

 

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 Post subject: Re: EF vs AU cam position sensor
Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 4:20 pm 
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Ah s**t... I knew I forgot something yesterday... :x geez my memory pisses me off sometimes.. I'm home Wednesday... Will attempt to do it Wednesday arvo...

Sorry man...

 

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 Post subject: Re: EF vs AU cam position sensor
Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2013 3:17 pm 
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just reminding you if you have time to check the sensor bud :P
ill check out those door sensors next time im at the wreckers.

 

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 Post subject: Re: EF vs AU cam position sensor
Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2013 10:08 pm 
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Well I checked...

Nothing really seems to happen with it...

Using DC volts between the legs of the sensor there is like 240mV and rolling the motor over with a breaker bar with the engine on doesn't change anything...

Between each leg and ground on DC Volts there was about 1.3 and again nothing changed when rolling the motor over...

Is the sensor not a switching type? Does it output a wave?

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 Post subject: Re: EF vs AU cam position sensor
Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2013 10:31 pm 
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Its variable relucrance so yes a wave beteen one value and another.

Was the engine running?
Did you test at the sensor or at the ecu pins and sure it was plugged in? Lol

 

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