i am keen to know to, the BA flash tuner has been a hit with the XR6T owners from what i have heard, hopefully the EF/EL one is good to

The EF/EL one is not released yet. However CAPA gave me January 06 or earlier as the date.

Expected price is $768

Just have to wait.

Okay, that gives me time to save up.
Now all I have to do is resist the urge to buy other expensive s**t for my car/cars.
This is gonna be hard...

f**k 770 thats steep

how good is the ford computer wat size fuel table does it have 8x8 or 12x12 if its got a decent table it will be cool, and also wat pressure can the standard map sensor go to and will they allow you to control everything, i wish they could give us a spec list to let us no what it can do so we can no if its worth it or to just continue with our ms kits?

I would reckon $770 is cheap, not steep, for a tuner that can access and modify a factory ECU.
Oh the possibilities...

I would imagine that the factory ecu, even one 10 years old will be so far in front of aftermarket stuff it's not funny. And whatever it has will be more than sufficient to tune your car - it was designed for it! Also you get the benefit of 1000's of hours of factory tuning free! Insead of tuning from scratch with your MS.

I had a peek inside the software for a BA ecu, there are over 40 3D tables and 100 setup parameters just for the Auto transmisssion. -Compare that to a $3500 Motec M800 with 1 table.
Obviously the M800 is more biased for engine stuff but you get the point.

Spork, you are getting me more and more excited about this. I wish you would stop!

don't hold ur breathe on a flash tuner for the EF/EL.
i'd expect one for AU's way before EF/EL, damn ford for making so many changes.

With all due respect Spork, the V8 supercars run Motec. If the Ford factory ECU was so great, wouldn't they run that?

You seem to be missing the point of an after market ECU. From what I've read of your posts, it's like you're saying that someone with 40 sets of suspension all with different camber angles is better that one set with an adjustable camber/caster setup.

You also say that you benefit from 000's of hours of Ford tuning by using the stock ECU. Please explain to me why the stock EEC-V pisses fuel out the exhaust @ WOT.

A properly tuned engine, with millions spent on tuning combined with 000's of man hours, does not usually run @ 10:1 AFR @ WOT.

Also, ANY ECU that uses a wideband oxy sensor is going to be better than ANY ECU that uses a narrowband oxy sensor.

Yeah but who of us can afford to run a full MoTec setup? Not me.
Who can afford the engineering hassles with a standalone aftermarket ECU? Not me.
And secondly, who would rather have a play with a working, safe, base tune, that I DIDN'T have to pay for? I'll put my hand up for that one.

Re: The suspension analogy. No it's like having one set of suspension that can be adjusted dynamically while you are driving depending on 40 different inputs. - That would be alot better than one setting of camber castor etc that was fixed or varied with only 1 input.

V8 Supercars run motec because it is easy to tune -ie designed to be retuned constantly, it integrates with dataloggers, telemetry, etc. The factory ECU does not have these features. They also do not run the same engines as the road cars.

The factory ECU calibration is the result of a lot of testing. it pisses fuel out of the engine at WOT because over a 250,00Km drive engine durability cycle perhaps towing a trailer on a hot day with crap fuel that is what is needed to ensure the durability of the engine. Yes you can re-tune that for more power, but you will reduce your relability. This may never be an issue if your not driving at 200km/h in the northan territory on a 45 deg day with a trailer but if you did you might be stuffed.
The level of detail tuning is astonishing. How much torque reduction does your ecu give on gearshifts? How much different do you set the accell enrichment in 1st gear as apposed to 4th gear? or 5 deg as apposed to 40 deg engine temp? And will any aftermarket tuner run a durability to make sure that 99.9% of all cars with all sorts of drivers will NEVER have a problem with their tune, Not likely.

The beauty of the factory ECU is that you can make changes to the main table to get the AFR's that give you maximum power ( accepting the reliability tradeoff) And keep all the other little parameters that make the car driveable, cold start etc. as factory.

You should still tune the Ford ecu with a wideband O2 sensor (pref on a dyno). Most wideband O2's are not designed to remain in the car permantly. I am pretty sure (given the above) that FORD would have measured the AFR's while tuning. (plus a hell of a lot else).

are you for real??
do you realy think that the EEC is not better then a motec. Are you forgeting where the EEC was developed??? if you dont know do some reaserch.

that much fuel at wot is a safty thing it prevents knock cause by bad fuel, poor servicing and posible high engine temps. you have to keep in mind that for had to tune for the lowest commen denominator (ie. the s**t most stupid person that might own/drive the car) and so things like overly rich WOT had to be done.

perhaps take a look inside one befor speaking up against it.

i mean really motec with 24x24 8860 96x32 MS 12x12
who are these companies trying to fool oh sorry

what sorta table size does the ef ecu have eecv tell us how good it is so we have as much an idea as you, cos f**k it would be much easier to tune standard ecu .

I don't know I haven't seen the software. Athough after doing a google search EECIV tables are usually made up of lots of little tables that work together.
Anyway I would assume that whatever they are they are adaquate.

enough for a turbo wats the timing like on them is it able to be tuned right what are the steps in rpm that the fuel and spark are updated or changed at least with out aftermarkets we are told this s**t, i tried finging ifo i cant its a pain in the a** .

all we can do is wait and see