Fordmods Logo

Dead TPS 

 

Page 1 of 1 [ 13 posts ] 

 
 Post subject: Dead TPS
Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 6:01 pm 
Stock as a Rock
Offline

Age: 82

Posts: 107

Joined: 2nd Feb 2010

Ride: Ford LTD DA 1989

Location: Sydney
NSW, Australia

G'day

I adjusted the basic idle on my LTD DA 1989, 340,000 on the clock, when I checked the TPS voltage there was no voltage at all; ignition on engine stopped and engine running. I opened the throttle slowly to full open with engine stopped and ignition on, nothing. I checked the fault codes expecting to have code 23 for TPS, but got code 23 MAP sensor, engine stopped and engine running. Idle is very smooth now.

Can anyone make sense of this?

How bad is to drive her as it is?

Thank you for reading.

Chicho
Top
 Profile  
 
 
 Post subject: Re: Dead TPS
Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 12:41 am 
Moderator
Offline

Posts: 14489

Joined: 7th Nov 2004

Ride: AU XR8

Location: a shit suburb in sydney
NSW, Australia

what wires were you testing between?
what did you use to probe the wire with?
Top
 Profile  
 
 
 Post subject: Re: Dead TPS
Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 7:19 pm 
Stock as a Rock
Offline

Age: 82

Posts: 107

Joined: 2nd Feb 2010

Ride: Ford LTD DA 1989

Location: Sydney
NSW, Australia

Green and Black.
small safety pins
digital multimeter.
Top
 Profile  
 
 
 Post subject: Re: Dead TPS
Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 4:53 pm 
Stock as a Rock
Offline

Age: 82

Posts: 107

Joined: 2nd Feb 2010

Ride: Ford LTD DA 1989

Location: Sydney
NSW, Australia

Am I in the right forum?
Top
 Profile  
 
 
 Post subject: Re: Dead TPS
Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 7:07 pm 
Moderator
Offline

Posts: 14489

Joined: 7th Nov 2004

Ride: AU XR8

Location: a shit suburb in sydney
NSW, Australia

yes...
does the orange wire have 5v?

sometime you need to move the probe wire around a little to get contact..
Top
 Profile  
 
 
 Post subject: Re: Dead TPS
Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 1:18 pm 
Stock as a Rock
Offline

Age: 82

Posts: 107

Joined: 2nd Feb 2010

Ride: Ford LTD DA 1989

Location: Sydney
NSW, Australia

G'day

Well. I replaced the TPS, a dog of a job on this model, the voltage on the orange wire is just above 5V and the green wire has 0.98V when I earth the multimeter to the manifold, when I test on the black wire there is nothing, no voltage.

My question now is: Would it be a dry solder on the SB of the ECU? Swollen or leaking Caps? Can someone offer a suggestion before I open the ECU? Would the map sensor have anything to do with that black wire not earthed in the ECU?

Please, throw me a bone.

Thank you

Chicho
Top
 Profile  
 
 
 Post subject: Re: Dead TPS
Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 1:43 pm 
Moderator
Offline

Posts: 14489

Joined: 7th Nov 2004

Ride: AU XR8

Location: a shit suburb in sydney
NSW, Australia

the black wire is signal earth, its shared with all the other sensors, air temp, water temp, map sensor ect... so it could be just a break in the wire??
Top
 Profile  
 
 
 Post subject: Re: Dead TPS
Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 2:26 pm 
Stock as a Rock
Offline

Age: 82

Posts: 107

Joined: 2nd Feb 2010

Ride: Ford LTD DA 1989

Location: Sydney
NSW, Australia

Thanks mate.

It would be very hard to run/ replace that wire from the ECU to the TPS, I guess. :?: How do I test it? Do I need it?
Top
 Profile  
 
 
 Post subject: Re: Dead TPS
Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 12:10 am 
Stock as a Rock
Offline

Age: 82

Posts: 107

Joined: 2nd Feb 2010

Ride: Ford LTD DA 1989

Location: Sydney
NSW, Australia

TROYMAN, you are right. There are at least 4 sensors that connect to pin 46 in the ECU. Ny question now is: can I hot wire the black, ground, wire to get the all the sensors grounded? or should I check pin 46 on the ECU?

Image

Thanks for reading.

Chicho
Top
 Profile  
 
 
 Post subject: Re: Dead TPS
Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 7:55 am 
Moderator
Offline

Posts: 14489

Joined: 7th Nov 2004

Ride: AU XR8

Location: a shit suburb in sydney
NSW, Australia

best to check pin 46 first, you can also check the sensors voltage at the ecu end aswell..
Top
 Profile  
 
 
 Post subject: Re: Dead TPS
Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 1:17 pm 
Technical Contributor
Offline
User avatar

Age: 59

Posts: 5659

Joined: 14th Jan 2005

Gallery: 10 images

Ride: 96 XH/97 EL

Location: South Coast
NSW, Australia

chicho11 wrote:
can I hot wire the black, ground, wire to get the all the sensors grounded
Nah, don't do that - it's signal ground, not chassis ground. Mind you, you can jumper pin 46 to chassis, and check TPS and MAP signal earth continuity to chassis - JUST for testing, with ECU unplugged.
This is the twin TPS setup too ??? - Swap engine and trans TPS plugs, and see what happens - if engine TPS was dodgy, the trans would be playing up on plug swapping.

Should have some local forum members who can loan an ECU and MAP sensor for testing ??

6 cyl gear is pretty common.

 

_________________

96 XH Longreach 'S': LPG, Alarm, 3.23:1 LSD, Cruise, Trip Comp, ABS, Power Windows, Mid Series Dome Lt, Climate Ctrl
97 EL Futura S/W: LPG, Alarm, LED int Lts, Trip Comp, F/Lane Dome Lt, Climate Ctrl, T5 Conversion

Top
 Profile  
 
 
 Post subject: Re: Dead TPS
Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 2:46 pm 
Stock as a Rock
Offline

Age: 82

Posts: 107

Joined: 2nd Feb 2010

Ride: Ford LTD DA 1989

Location: Sydney
NSW, Australia

Single TPS. No trans TPS

Thanks guys. I have some work to do. I'll keep you posted whatever happens.
Top
 Profile  
 
 
 Post subject: Re: Dead TPS Solved
Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 3:55 pm 
Stock as a Rock
Offline

Age: 82

Posts: 107

Joined: 2nd Feb 2010

Ride: Ford LTD DA 1989

Location: Sydney
NSW, Australia

G'day

After trying to find the fault and fix it I took her to the auto electrician. Two and a half weeks and $500.00 after it's like new engine. The faulty wire was the least of the problems. They cleaned injectors and replaced fuel filters, including the one on the fuel pump, and a bad fuel hose on the fuel pump and new thermostat. The engine even lost the lifter clicking noise and runs cooler now. I'm very happy with the job done.

Thanks for your help guys

chicho
Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:
Sort by  
 Page 1 of 1  [ 13 posts ] 

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 29 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

 

 

It is currently Fri Apr 26, 2024 5:00 pm All times are UTC + 11 hours

 

 

(c)2014 Total Web Solutions Australia - Australian Web Hosting and Domain Names