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 Post subject: Flash Tune not what I expected!
Posted: Fri May 27, 2011 8:14 pm 
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Hi guys im definitely a newbie at the tuning thing, so bear with me. I just went and got a Generic tune 98 ron as far as i know from BPT motorsport. Barry flashed my ecu and no i dont have a flash box. Givin that i didnt get a custom tune i figured that it wasnt going to be that great any way. Lets start from the basics I have an 04 BA XR6 NA with K&N panel filter, typhoon airbox, pacemaker extractors, pacemaker high flow cat, 2.5 in SS Lukey exhaust and a 82 degree thermostat. When I pulled away the car felt exactly the same. I did notice that the car shifts a bit softer with the tune in it for some reason, it felt quicker with the stock map in it from before. On the plus side of things the car does sound better. It does seem quicker when im going at a higher speed but when i shift into second with tune (tiptronic) it doesnt throw me in the seat as much as it used to. Getting worried, is this normal? I was expecting it to have a little better throttle response and it to shift a bit harder. PLEASE tell me the tune needs to get used to the car like every other performance part? Any idea? Barry was a big help though trying to fit me in for the flash tune today.

 

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Posted: Fri May 27, 2011 8:24 pm 
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take it back to him tell him your not happy did you get a before an after dyno?

 

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 Post subject: Re: Flash Tune not what I expected!
Posted: Fri May 27, 2011 8:33 pm 
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No before or after dyno unfortunately! cost too much much for the dyno. The flash wouldnt need to get used to the car would it? deciding on the fuel/air ratio mix etc?

 

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 Post subject: Re: Flash Tune not what I expected!
Posted: Fri May 27, 2011 8:36 pm 
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ive heard nothin but bad stuff about BPT.
obviosly a tune should improve some performance side of the car plus firm up and quiken the shifts. if its gone backwards then get ya money back and go somwer else.

 

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Posted: Fri May 27, 2011 8:40 pm 
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I don't these generic tunes, one size docent fit all plain and simple and if u can't afford it then wait till u can. Take the car back and tell them what's happening and that your not happy and I would pay the difference and get custom tune.

 

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Posted: Sat May 28, 2011 2:05 pm 
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Thanks for the reply guys! Yea your right I should of just waited for the custom tune. Well I did email him but hasnt gotten back to me yet. Im hoping he can give me my money back or make the tune work for my car, now its just crossing my fingers and hoping for the best. I dont want to be screwed out on $485 for nothing.

 

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 Post subject: Re: Flash Tune not what I expected!
Posted: Sat May 28, 2011 5:53 pm 
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Well he did get back to me!
Hi Tim,

"There is an adaptive learn for fueling that does usually ony take about 10k of driving to establish. However I can look at the program just to make sure that the bottom end is the same. Usually the gain is in the mid to top end of the scale."

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So I emailed him back saying that ("I have driven 10k cause i live like 50 or 60 ks from his shop and the bottom end of the car feels the same if not slower as the gear shift doesnt feel as stiff as it was before, I expected it to have stiffer shifts and better acceleration.") Lets hope he can rectify the problem! Ill keep you guys updated!

 

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 Post subject: Re: Flash Tune not what I expected!
Posted: Sat May 28, 2011 8:57 pm 
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Mr. Xpressionz wrote:
So I emailed him back saying that ("I have driven 10k cause i live like 50 or 60 ks from his shop and the bottom end of the car feels the same if not slower as the gear shift doesnt feel as stiff as it was before, I expected it to have stiffer shifts and better acceleration.") Lets hope he can rectify the problem! Ill keep you guys updated!



Did you ask them before hand if the shifts were going to be any firmer? or did you just expect it?
Is there really a problem OR has the top end improved and the bottom end has changed? Giving you the 'feeling' of a sluggish bottom end.


Some times I think people don't find out enough info on what they are getting before handing over the money, and they are just going by some dribble they read on a forum.

 

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 Post subject: Re: Flash Tune not what I expected!
Posted: Sat May 28, 2011 11:24 pm 
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well funny that you say 10k= 10,000 kms thats what i was thinking he said at first as well, but I just thought that the ecu would get used to it usually after a tank of petrol, which is a couple of hundred K's thats what ive noticed with every other mod that ive put on my car. But i figured he meant 10 kilometers because 10,000 just seemed it bit over the top. The higher end of the car pulls a bit better yes but very very slightly, and the bottom end feels a bit more sluggish and it doesnt shift as hard for some reason. Soooo in other words the flashed ecu still needs a fair bit of time to actually get used to my driving style/mods/fuel and air ratio ect? So is that the case just like the regular ecu but at 10,000 ks for the flash tune? Let me know what you guys think! Thanks for helping out guys really appreciate it!

 

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 Post subject: Re: Flash Tune not what I expected!
Posted: Sun May 29, 2011 12:15 am 
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Yea thats what I was thinking, but wasnt sure if the flashed ecu sort of did things instantly or it took a few hundred K's. Ill see what BPT says when he gets back to me about the firmness of the shift and about the acceleration feeling a bit sluggish.

 

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Posted: Sun May 29, 2011 10:10 pm 
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Just tell them u want to pay the difference and go custom tune when u have the funds available

 

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Posted: Mon May 30, 2011 11:04 am 
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What flash device did he use?

If its something by SCT, then its kind of illegal that you have a tune but no device. Herrod Motorsport would be more than interested in this.

Also, if its something generic, it will be loosely based on a safe tune for a standard engine. Not taking into account any of your mods.

When I got my tune done, I s**t my dacks on the first U-turn. Which was only 50m from the workshop it was done at.
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Posted: Mon May 30, 2011 3:58 pm 
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a flash tune should be instant..
the tune wether generic or custom once loaded or flashed the changes are made to the program are instant..changes to the fuel map or timing are exactly that they are changed, its not like a child where you need to show them what to do a few times before it learns..lol
after all its a comuter program, you dont install a program or program update on your pc and have to wait so many hours before the changes take effect...

its the same on an aftermarket ecu or j3, once the tune is changed and saved it effective immediatly..
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Posted: Mon May 30, 2011 5:02 pm 
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no it wasnt from a SCT flash box it was from a sniper flash box same thing just programs a bit quicker than the sct box. The car is starting to feel a bit better since ive drivin about 300 k's and it seems a tad stronger through the higher revs but nothing like s**t my dacks by any means. I guess generic tunes arent the way to go at all. This should probably be a STICKY just letting people know that custom tunes are the way to go and generics are just generics dont waste your money like I have! Hey atleast a good thing has come out of this, LESSON LEARNED!!! I couldnt wait for the custom tune because i just got itchy and had to go faster but not as fast as i thought. Hopefully by the next time i refuel the ecu has so called adjusted. The biggest difference ive noticed is that the exhaust sounds much better and it shifts a bit smoother.

 

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Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 3:45 pm 
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Sent an email to BPT about paying the difference for a custom tune. He said that would be no problem at all. Atleast he's nice enough to allow me to pay the difference. But the funniest thing is happening, Its been a week since ive gotten it and ive driven it a fair bit now and the car is actually starting to feel more responsive and quicker through the revs! hmmm interesting! But anyway if your going to do it at all do it right the first time and get a custom tune period, thats what ive learned. Thanks guys for giving me your input I really appreciate the effort! Lets hope the custom tune is more instant. lol

 

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