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Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 11:19 am 
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For someone like me it would :roll: ...I have never pulled an engine out of an engine bay and so forth...I always thought cutting anything would be illegal so getting it engineered would cost me :S...if its easy as modifying (legally) then it would be relatively easy.


If you didn't make a big song and dance about it with personalised plates, 19s, a custom paint job, a massive hole in your bonnet, a force fed engine, several magazine appearances etc you'd be fine.
You have to get pulled over in the first place to get done, on top of that, you need to get pulled over by the TMU, and you would have to piss off that TMU cop, and he'd have to know that that engine isn't suited to the car.
Given I've had falcons for like 2 years of having my licence and never being pulled over I would suggest doing what you can to get it to fit and run, and worry about engineering if you get a major defect, the chances are fairly minute, just don't be a showoff.
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Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 11:37 am 
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That is some shocking advice

Engineers certificate is there for a reason, if you don't have it you're
a) driving an unroadworthy car which has insurance liabilities
b) driving an unsafe car that some moron with a welder and no clue has had a field day on (potentially)
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Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 11:39 am 
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im not argueing that it cant be done, im asking why would u bother? the costs involved would far far far outweigh the benifits...
The price for the parts will drop quick as they get older, there not gonna stay expensive forever :roll:

 

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Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 12:49 pm 
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Am hereby expressing interest in a legal K frame. I want one of these in my EB XR6 5 speed. Does the 5 speed from the EB Bolt up, if not then i will have a 5 speed conversion for sale soon.
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Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 1:14 pm 
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Woot, bring on the E-series conversion!

 

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Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 2:04 pm 
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EA bellhousing bolts up minus 2 lower bolts so I imagine EB is the same.

I wouldnt mind an engineered K frame either if they were made but there isnt much point until someone figures out a way to run the BA motor in an earlier car with the BA ECU to an extent where an engineer would be happy.

The K frame is the easy part, well at least in an EA-ED.
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Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 4:12 pm 
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TwistedEL wrote:
That is some shocking advice

Engineers certificate is there for a reason, if you don't have it you're
a) driving an unroadworthy car which has insurance liabilities
b) driving an unsafe car that some moron with a welder and no clue has had a field day on (potentially)


lol, if you're insured with justcar and you plead ignorance you'll be fine. The amount of ridiculously unengineerable cars I've seen get paid out by them is hilarious.
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Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 7:00 pm 
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Darren I do have an interest in the K-Frame for E-series...it just depends when its going to be ready...and also how I am going to get the engine running...price is a bit of an issue at the moment cause other problems arose :(. Hopefully i can muster some money together.

Out of curiosity...how much does it usually cost to get a K-Frame...or anything engineered and get a certificate?

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Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 9:02 pm 
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Was there any cutting involve with the AU at all? eg: K-frame, or was it just the bonnet support rips?

 

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Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 9:30 pm 
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Was there any cutting involve with the AU at all? eg: K-frame, or was it just the bonnet support rips?


They are a straight bolt in except the ribs in the bonnet.

will be interesting to see if the sump can be modified enough to clear the ef x member
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Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 9:38 pm 
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Thanks for that mate.

How much for the conversion at the stage you are now?.
15 years ago I completed a 2 year TE corty V8 project. back then the law is not as tough as it is now, especially with emission laws & viability of modification guide lines.
well, emission laws won't be a problem but modification issues will be. I assume a engineers report is required for road worthiness & insurance purposes as it is not a original equipment, BA to AU that is.

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Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 1:08 am 
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Slick wrote:
Was there any cutting involve with the AU at all? eg: K-frame, or was it just the bonnet support rips?


They are a straight bolt in except the ribs in the bonnet.

will be interesting to see if the sump can be modified enough to clear the ef x member



yes, it will be interesting. Hopefully Eseries edit is somewhat capable of running one...otherwise, Dimasquirt

 

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Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 4:51 pm 
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Just a thought, If we drop a BA engine into the AU and then use a CAPA flashtuner or something like that, will that allow us to control the VCT or will that need to be done exclusivly by a proper ECU ?

Also how bad is this thing running at lower revs ? I cant imagine it being much worse than my poor AU XR6 which is currently stalling when pushed above 3000 revs :P

I know the XR6 engine is all but dead so im seriously looking at this option as the XR6 is the project test car and the AU Futura is the car which all the mods will finally end up on when I have established that they work.
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xpression wrote:
did u hear about jetXR, his was engineered as far as i understand and he still got a "forget about re-registering this car" defect...

plus, have u seen engineers bills lately? you could sell the E series, put the money the motor etc will cost u along with engineers bills and buy a BA, complete with extra safety gear and suspension etc...
or buy an AU and forget the engineering...


Modded K frames are legal. Provided that you can prove as clearly as possible that they are stronger then the stock unit. Both in tensile and torsional tests. Then you have to prove that your you beut K frame won't affect other parts of the car in a crash test. So to cut a long story short it can be done but its a b**ch. This is where JETXR probably came unstuck. Just visually inspecting a K fame is not enough these days (years ago it was more then enough) to certify it.

But having said that if modded K frames can be built by reputable companies like the Castlemane rod shop then they are much easier to be engineered because companies like these have a known rep of good quality and failsafe workmanship.

And yes engineers are starting to charge like lawyers these days. What was once a simple $300 dollar look over the car followed by a 2 or 3 page report has become a pay per visit or even consultation. And for some projects you must chat to them before you even begin. Then once they give you the all clear you have to get your car inspected after each stage of the build and then sit down and have some more consultation to discuss the next stage in detail.

It might be more expensive but I much prefer it that way as it keeps the dreamers and the cashet up kids with bent attitudes out of the way.
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Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 2:56 pm 
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^^^ here, here....bravo

well said!

 

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