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Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 11:41 am 
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actually im about to change my injectors over to au ones..
i originally used the el manifold and injectors.

im planning to come an friday .
im still alittle disabled with my ankle (hobling around on crutches)lol
but i can now push the clutch in without to much discomfort so im hoping to be there..


thanks for your help , au2 in the nc2 is great any how correct me if im wrong but i checked the part no on the au2 injectors and they come up as 14lb so i stayed with nc injectors which are 19lb


do you have that part no?
there are some guys who are getting good numbers with au injectors and ive heard that the au injectors possably flow 21lbs?
and std injectors only flow 18.15 to 18.25? acording to there part no

its mentioned in this thread.
http://www.fordmods.com/forums/stock-in ... 59369.html
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Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 11:50 am 
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according to injectors online, the eseries are 18lbs and the AU is 20lbs
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Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 6:53 pm 
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i rang Benj just over a hour ago and they havent got the new motoer in as yet, lets hope its in soon

 

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Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 6:57 pm 
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ok now im confused the nc2 injectors are bosch 280 150 790 normal 4.0l injectors , same as misses xf and mates el xr6 both websites have them rated at 18 /18.15 at 43.5 psi

the au2 injectors are 280 155 844 one site it lists them at 14.3/43.5, the other has them at 20/???

im running a malpassi rising rate and want to increase the injectors (i think) because the 3.8 that the m90 came off run 42lb but am a little worried that the el ecu wont handle them , back the injector pulse time down to keep a good idle
i use ultimate fuel only , have no pinging at all , 6 psi boost , hyperspace fairlane rear ratio , knock sensor is not hocked up base timing set 10 degress adv

9.6:1(au2)+6 psi = about 11.3:1
yeah i know it shouldnt be runing but it flys ????????????????????

 

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Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 7:14 pm 
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so benj
how did the engine change go??
is up and running ?
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Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 7:22 pm 
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so benj
how did the engine change go??
is up and running ?


last i heard 2 hours ago still fitting the motor

 

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Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 7:25 pm 
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ohh

he must of had a few dramas..lol
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Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 7:28 pm 
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Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 10:08 pm 
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Hey All

The EB now has an EL engine.

I will post up over the next few days all of the 'fun' we had.

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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 6:18 am 
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Well done mate, look forward to the debriefing on how thing went.
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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 8:29 am 
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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 3:06 pm 
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nice one benny.
hows it goin compared to the old motor?

 

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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 10:46 pm 
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Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 5:01 pm 
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Well, what can I say. PaulMac, Luke (my son) and I had quite a time.

What started out as, "4 hours, no worries" turned into a very long haul.

OK, so Sunday started at 7.30am with Luke and I jumping in the car and heading from Sydney up to the Central Coast to go to PaulMac's place. We rolled up to PaulMac's at about 9am and by 9.30 we were already taking the car apart.

Now PaulMac has put an EL engine in his car, but used the Log manifold, so we at least had some experience here. However we progressed slowly and methodically and around 3 hours later, had the EB engine and auto mostly out of the car.

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We had our problems like we all do. The auto cooler lines didn't want to come off and the engine crane wouldn't fit under the front of the car as it was too low. But we perservered and got it out.

Check out all the gunk on the back of the Auto. PaulMac wondered how it stayed cool.

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During this time I pulled the EL BBM loom off the engine and layed out the loom I had made. I found I had to extend the plug for the air temp sensor as this hadn't been mentioned in any of the threads I had read. Luckily I had taken everything with me. Here I am with the EL BBM Loom removed.

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The engine bay was almost as dirty as the auto was, so PaulMac fired up the pressure washer and gave it a good blast. Nice and clean now.

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Then we moved the trailer with the EL Engine. I am balancing it. Wouldn't want it to roll over and break something now would we.

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Now the fun begins. It is supposedly a simple task. Just slide the auto up to the back of the engine, give it a bit of a jiggle, and it should just drop into place. :x :x Like bloody hell it does. We fought with the damn thing for two hours. I am sure we tried more positions and angles than most prostitutes would know. Then all of a sudden it worked. About bloody time.

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Next step was making sure the EL Engine was prepped to go in. Close examination showed up a few differences between the EB and EL engines. We realised the heater hoses wouldn't fit. The EL engine mounts were different so had to be swapped. And the fuel lines are different too.

PaulMac went off to Bursons and picked up some heater hoses. While he was out I took care of a few things, like changing the alternator plug, bolting in the EL ECU and plugging in my custom loom for the BBM and Knock Sensor, and started playing with the cruise cable and throttle cable. Oh, and where is the EL throttle cable Paul? We realised it was still on the car the engine came out of DOH. PaulMac's lovely wife went for a drive to get it. Thankyou heaps.

So PaulMac returned and we hoisted the EL Engine up and slid it half into place. By this time it was dark, and we had to work by light. PaulMac then worked out how we could marry the fuel lines up.

The following is his how too.

"There are two simple ways to attach the fuel lines and maintain the EL top and bottom connections.
1] My preferred option is to cut the EL metal fuel lines at the chassis rail of the donor car, leaving the flexible line intact with a 'tail' of 50-60mm of metal fuel line. Flare them very slightly with a flaring tool if you have one. Re-fit to engine or manifold while out of the car, marking the regulator feed line 'tail' clearly.
Install the engine and from under the car place hose clamps over the [EA-ED] flexible lines then cut them to a length suiting the metal 'tail', insert the tail into the appropriate chassis feed or return line, clamp tight.
NOTE: Feed line goes to the regulator, return line from the rail.
2]The second option is used when the EL flexible lines have been cut before the bottom join or the 'tails' are of inadequate length. Cut two lengths of metal fuel line [flare slightly if possible] and insert and clamp them into the EL flexible lines, forming the 'tails'.
Proceed as above."
The second option was forced upon us because one EL fuel line had not been cut away as required, [due to a misunderstanding by the engine supplier, an otherwise very helpful and professional mechanic] and we had to cannibilise the other for the metal line needed."
Cheers,

Thanks PaulMac - I guess one could always use the EB fuel rail.

Once that was done the engine was lowered down but wouldn't get that last 10mm for the engine mounts to drop over the K frame. So, it was out with the right had mount and down it went. But do you think it was easy to bolt the mount back on? Ohhhh Nooooooo. Stupid bloody thing. :x :x

This pic shows the engine almost in place, and gives you a look at our high tech lighting. This was around 1am.

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Finally we held our mouths the right way and got it sorted. We went around connecting all the bits we had disconnected. PaulMac put the EL radiator in and found that it was slightly different to the EB one. The rubber spacers on the bottom held it up too high, so he improvised that. And then the hose that goes from the bottom of the header tank into the right side of the radiator wouldn't fit as the EL radiator has a right angle bend in it. More solutions were found. The auto cooler lines didn't want to go back together again.

Finally at around 4.30am it was all back together and it was time to start it for the first time.

I turned the key and............... ZIP!!!! It just cranked over.

The fuel pump sounded odd tho, so we threw a few ideas around, and I suggested that the fuel lines could be back to front. A bit of research on line and comparing PaulMac's car etc proved this theory to be sound. So they were swapped over and we were ready to try again.

The key turned, the engine fired..........and ran..........clang clang clang clang....... I turned it off in a hurry.

So considering it was now 5am and we had been working straight through from 9.30am the previous day, we packed up a little bit, called it a morning and went inside for a well earned NAP.

 

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