Fordmods Logo

BenJ's EL Engine Conversion 

 

Page 1 of 9 [ 129 posts ] Go to page 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 ... 9  Next

 
 Post subject: BenJ's EL Engine Conversion
Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 11:40 pm 
Getting Side Ways
Offline

Posts: 5582

Joined: 20th May 2005

Gallery: 11 images

Ride: EB1 Fairmont Ghia T5 Wagon

Location: Seven Hills, Sydney
NSW, Australia

Gidday All

Here is a photo of what I have bought.

Image

It is an EL engine and comes with all accessories including the ECU and all the parts needed to complete the conversion. I went and saw the engine while on the Newy cruise last Sunday, and this engine is the cleanest engine I have seen for a while. It started first pop, and was smooth, quiet and best of all, clean out of the exhaust. Those on the cruise know how much crap the current engine is throwing out the back.

I guess over 400k on the engine will do that :cry:

I will update as this progresses - hopefully soooooooon. :lol:

BenJ

 

_________________

BenJ's EB T5 DOHC Ghia Wagon - Current Ride
BenJ's EB GL Sedan - Previous Ride
My respect and thanks go to - snap0964, Paulmac, SWC and MRE-50L

Top
 Profile  
 
 
Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 3:37 am 
Getting Side Ways
Offline

Age: 70

Posts: 657

Joined: 24th Sep 2007

Gallery: 10 images

Location: Central Coast
NSW, Australia

It doesn't look like that now, methinks. LOL
Paul

 

_________________

What goes around, comes around.

Top
 Profile  
 
 
Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 9:35 am 
Getting Side Ways
Offline

Age: 55

Posts: 434

Joined: 8th Nov 2004

Gallery: 13 images

Ride: 94 Futura

Location: Bilpin
NSW, Australia

Have fun just finished Hazens but put EF xr in it now shee needs to get more km up before the dyno day.

 

_________________

In Henry I Trust

Top
 Profile  
 
 
Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 7:43 am 
Parts Gopher
Offline

Posts: 53

Joined: 13th Nov 2004

Location: Sydney
NSW, Australia

Over 400Ks?
Top
 Profile  
 
 
Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 9:01 am 
NSW Cruise Moderator
Offline
User avatar

Age: 39

Posts: 7331

Joined: 5th Nov 2004

Gallery: 12 images

Ride: TE50

Location: ɹǝpun uʍop
NSW, Australia

edv8wagon wrote:
Over 400Ks?
on the EB motor that is.

 

_________________

Image

I have a car.

Top
 Profile  
 
 
Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 9:17 am 
Getting Side Ways
Offline

Posts: 5582

Joined: 20th May 2005

Gallery: 11 images

Ride: EB1 Fairmont Ghia T5 Wagon

Location: Seven Hills, Sydney
NSW, Australia

Yep the EB motor has 400,2800Kms on it.

And while still strong power wise, is blowing blue smoke when you give it a bit, leaks from rear main seal and front of sump, has a wobbly harmonic balancer, and when I changed the head gasket last year, I noted that the water galleries were quite corroded.

For the price I got the EL Engine for I couldn't fix half of the current problems with the EB engine.

BenJ

 

_________________

BenJ's EB T5 DOHC Ghia Wagon - Current Ride
BenJ's EB GL Sedan - Previous Ride
My respect and thanks go to - snap0964, Paulmac, SWC and MRE-50L

Top
 Profile  
 
 
Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 9:23 am 
Moderator
Offline

Posts: 14513

Joined: 7th Nov 2004

Ride: ford falcon au3 xr8

Location: a shit suburb in sydney
NSW, Australia

so ben
when is it going in mate??
Top
 Profile  
 
 
Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 9:39 am 
Getting Side Ways
Offline

Posts: 5582

Joined: 20th May 2005

Gallery: 11 images

Ride: EB1 Fairmont Ghia T5 Wagon

Location: Seven Hills, Sydney
NSW, Australia

Well it looks like the 24th Feb is the big day.

The engine will be at PaulMac's place near Doyalson, so I will be driving up there in the morning and driving back with the EL motor in the car that afternoon. Well that is the plan anyway.

At this point, the engine will be installed and run off the EB ECU first. As my car is non smartlock, I decided to put the EL ECU in later and deal with those sorts of issues after I get the car home. I intend to make the BBM functional when the EL ECU goes in.

This really quite exciting and I am looking forward to cranking her over for the first time with the EL engine in.

I have completed the modified EB Log Manifold loom to suit the BBM. I will have some pictures of this part soon, along with an explanation of the changes I made.

BenJ

 

_________________

BenJ's EB T5 DOHC Ghia Wagon - Current Ride
BenJ's EB GL Sedan - Previous Ride
My respect and thanks go to - snap0964, Paulmac, SWC and MRE-50L

Top
 Profile  
 
 
Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 12:16 am 
Getting Side Ways
Offline

Posts: 5582

Joined: 20th May 2005

Gallery: 11 images

Ride: EB1 Fairmont Ghia T5 Wagon

Location: Seven Hills, Sydney
NSW, Australia

OK, a small update.

The EL Engine has now been removed from the car and is safely at PaulMacs' place. The engine now removed, looks even better than it did in the car. It is really clean, with no signs of leaks or missuse anywhere.

Image

Image

The install date is the 24th Feb. Wooohoooo :lol: :lol: :lol:

One week and counting.


In preparation of the conversion, I have been busy modding the inlet manifold loom. The reason you can't use the EL loom with the EB is because the plugs on the EL BBM loom are square and the EB uses round plugs.

Kudos to Troyman for his guide as much of the knowledge comes from there.

I had a spare loom off the log manifold from my EB parts car. To alter the EB loom to fit the BBM manifold, the TPS and ICS plugs need to be relocated to reach the throttle body on the BBM.

From the wreckers I sourced EL TPS and ICS Loom plugs as they can be different to the EB. I found that the TPS plugs are the same but the ICS plugs are different. Seeing as I needed to cut the plugs off to lengthen the loom I used the newer plugs. It is possible to use the existing EB plugs, so long as you mount the EB TPS and ICS on the BBM throttle body.

Below is the loom before and after I adjusted it. It is now ready to attach to the EL motor.

Before

Image

After

Image

I intend to take a few photos of the conversion and will post a quick guide and any difficulties encountered.

Regards
BenJ

 

_________________

BenJ's EB T5 DOHC Ghia Wagon - Current Ride
BenJ's EB GL Sedan - Previous Ride
My respect and thanks go to - snap0964, Paulmac, SWC and MRE-50L

Top
 Profile  
 
 
Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 12:51 pm 
Getting Side Ways
Offline

Age: 30

Posts: 1087

Joined: 1st Sep 2007

Ride: '07 LT XR5

Power: 133 rwkw

Location: sydney
NSW, Australia

jesus mate, im glad that all makes sense to you! :D best of luck mate

 

_________________

So much RAM the motherboard twisted off the POST.

I lost 3 cylinders... but gained a turbo...
Proud owner of an '07 XR5Turbo

Top
 Profile  
 
 
Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 12:02 am 
Getting Side Ways
Offline

Posts: 5582

Joined: 20th May 2005

Gallery: 11 images

Ride: EB1 Fairmont Ghia T5 Wagon

Location: Seven Hills, Sydney
NSW, Australia

Small Update

Today I received a Smartlock Bypass Module. I have hooked it up and started the car using a smartlock EBII ECU and an EL Tickford Gas ECU.

I have also added extra pins to the ECU plug for Smartlock, the BBM Solenoid, knock sensor and a wire for the EL Gas ECU to tell it to run on petrol. Using some loom from an EB Bootlid, I ran wires from near the ECU through the Firewall via the hole the vacuum pipes run through to behind the washer bottle.

I have also mounted the BBM Solenoid in its correct location. Unfortunately this is where the the Cruise Contol vacuum pump is located in the EB, so I relocated it down the inner guard by wedging it under the brake lines. This will do for now until I can drill some holes and bolt it in properely. And, yes the cruise still works :D

Everything seems to be falling into place for Sunday, so it should go relatively smoothly.

I just have to wire up the plugs for the BBM solenoid and the knock sensor.

Next update should hopefully be good news re the successful completion.

Regards
BenJ

 

_________________

BenJ's EB T5 DOHC Ghia Wagon - Current Ride
BenJ's EB GL Sedan - Previous Ride
My respect and thanks go to - snap0964, Paulmac, SWC and MRE-50L

Top
 Profile  
 
 
Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:14 am 
Moderator
Offline

Posts: 14513

Joined: 7th Nov 2004

Ride: ford falcon au3 xr8

Location: a shit suburb in sydney
NSW, Australia

so this sunday is the big engine change hey...
i bet you cant wait lol...

is your car running with the el tickford ecu at the moment?
im curious if the el ecu,s timing/fuel map made a difference on your current engine without the bbm??

i changed my ecu over to a(tickford engined) fairmont ghia ecu yesterday and all i can say is that there is a nice torque improvement over the std hybrid ecu that i had...it goes to show that the tickford ghia ecu has a similar map to the xr6 ecu..
at 1/4 of the price of the xr one..
Top
 Profile  
 
 
Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:34 am 
Getting Side Ways
Offline

Posts: 5582

Joined: 20th May 2005

Gallery: 11 images

Ride: EB1 Fairmont Ghia T5 Wagon

Location: Seven Hills, Sydney
NSW, Australia

Hey Troyman

Yes, I left the EL Gas Tickford ECU in just to see what differences there are. As I understand it, this ECU uses standard petrol maps, but also has optimised fuel maps for LPG. I just made sure the ECU used the petrol maps by sending 12volts to pin 8.

So far I can say that it is lacking below 3800rpm but then pulls harder. I presume this is because the fuel/timing maps don't suit the log manifold below 3800rpm. Other differences noted are that the Power/Economy switch is reversed on the auto, and the auto shift points are different as well as feeling more refined.

It is interesting you comment on the use of an EL Ghia ECU, as I was wondering about that. There was one on Ebay last week for $30. I wish I had got it now. Oh well, will keep an eye out for one in the future.

I also believe there is a benefit from using AU injectors due to the improved spray pattern. You may already be using them as they would have come with your engine, but I will source some for the EL engine in the near future.

Yes, the anticipation is building as Sunday draws closer.

Hopefully we can meet on Friday night at Liverpool.

Regards

BenJ

 

_________________

BenJ's EB T5 DOHC Ghia Wagon - Current Ride
BenJ's EB GL Sedan - Previous Ride
My respect and thanks go to - snap0964, Paulmac, SWC and MRE-50L

Top
 Profile  
 
 
Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:37 am 
Getting Side Ways
Offline
User avatar

Age: 40

Posts: 1667

Joined: 23rd Dec 2004

Gallery: 1 images

Ride: Boosted ED XR6, EBII Mont Wgn

Power: 252 rwkw

Location: Mildura
VIC, Australia

TROYMAN wrote:
i changed my ecu over to a(tickford engined) fairmont ghia ecu yesterday and all i can say is that there is a nice torque improvement over the std hybrid ecu that i had...it goes to show that the tickford ghia ecu has a similar map to the xr6 ecu..
at 1/4 of the price of the xr one..


its a shame fairmont ghias didn't come factory with manuals :(

 

_________________

Image
[SEXYR-6] ED XR6 T5 Turbo Build
[EBW-347] EB Wagon V8 Stroker Build
FordMods Member #1761

Top
 Profile  
 
 
Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:41 am 
Moderator
Offline

Posts: 14513

Joined: 7th Nov 2004

Ride: ford falcon au3 xr8

Location: a shit suburb in sydney
NSW, Australia

actually im about to change my injectors over to au ones..
i originally used the el manifold and injectors.

im planning to come an friday .
im still alittle disabled with my ankle (hobling around on crutches)lol
but i can now push the clutch in without to much discomfort so im hoping to be there..
Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:
Sort by  
 Page 1 of 9  [ 129 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 ... 9  Next

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Google Adsense [Bot] and 19 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

 

 

It is currently Thu Dec 14, 2017 2:26 am All times are UTC + 11 hours

 

 

(c)2014 Total Web Solutions Australia - Australian Web Hosting and Domain Names