Fordmods Logo

e series 4.0 missing under load?prob found AUX SHAFT FAILING 

 

Page 10 of 12 [ 176 posts ] Go to page Previous  1 ... 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12  Next

 
Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 9:02 pm 
Moderator
Offline

Posts: 14489

Joined: 7th Nov 2004

Ride: AU XR8

Location: a shit suburb in sydney
NSW, Australia

edfairmont4.0 wrote:
I woulda thought the filter would have caught it all


it probably has caught it? so i would say there is no real reason for concern..
Top
 Profile  
 
 
Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 9:13 pm 
Getting Side Ways
Offline

Age: 38

Posts: 2334

Joined: 25th Apr 2008

Ride: Boxcar Love

Location: Brisbane
QLD, Australia

Is this something that could go wrong in an EF engine? could this be why mine has a slight miss on light throttle?

 

_________________

Commodore australia's favorite car??? What a load of s**t
Image

Top
 Profile  
 
 
Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 9:56 pm 
Getting Side Ways
Offline

Posts: 5503

Joined: 20th May 2005

Gallery: 11 images

Ride: EB1 Fairmont Ghia T5 Wagon

Location: Seven Hills, Sydney
NSW, Australia

You don't have a dizzy in yours PIMP_LTD.

BenJ

 

_________________

BenJ's EB T5 DOHC Ghia Wagon - Current Ride
BenJ's EB GL Sedan - Previous Ride
My respect and thanks go to - snap0964, Paulmac, SWC and MRE-50L

Top
 Profile  
 
 
Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 7:11 am 
Getting Side Ways
Offline
User avatar

Age: 50

Posts: 2500

Joined: 22nd Apr 2007

Gallery: 5 images

Ride: DENTED UP OLD AUT WAGON

Location: Wellington
New Zealand

EA-ED = DISTRIBUTORS
EF = EDIS (Electronic Distributorless Ignition System) = COILS = EF Engine Computer
EL = DISTRIBUTORS = EL Engine Computer will run a BroadBandManifold on your EA-ED (work out what to do with smartlock in earlier version... There's info here...)
AU = COILS - Not 100% sure, but think the EF computer will run an AU, although you may miss some function?
AU2 or above is beyond the scope of my interest.

Am hoping to put an AU into my EF one day, when it finally dies or gets too damn expensive to fix... This thread has been very helpful with the general knowledge of such.

You know, I still get asked for DIZZY's and the like from my EF's by people who have EL's... When I say I don't have one and could they please tell me where to find one on a EF motor they get all abusive and tell me I must be on drugs or something.

(They could be right, but even then I'd back myself to find a dizzy if it was attached to my EF block where the suspect AUX shafts lurk...)....
Top
 Profile  
 
 
Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 5:26 pm 
Getting Side Ways
Offline

Age: 38

Posts: 2334

Joined: 25th Apr 2008

Ride: Boxcar Love

Location: Brisbane
QLD, Australia

BenJ wrote:
You don't have a dizzy in yours PIMP_LTD.

BenJ


Lol, yeah i know man, i just wasn't sure if it happened in only dizzy fitted cars or not, so i guess i'm safe.

Good luck fixing it troyman, the ED will thank you for it.

 

_________________

Commodore australia's favorite car??? What a load of s**t
Image

Top
 Profile  
 
 
Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 11:13 am 
Getting Side Ways
Offline

Age: 72

Posts: 2542

Joined: 18th Mar 2006

Ride: EF-XR8chaser

Location: wollongong
NSW, Australia

TROYMAN wrote:
all the teeth have been sheared to a point..

there is no logical explanation for it..
the only load on the shaft is the oil pump and dizzy..

here is a pic comparing a good shaft to a stuffed one...
case hardening is worn out and wearing in to soft metal,you can get them hardened deeper and tested,ford part wasnt done to specs -does head gaskets ring a bell?lately a lot of parts on here have failed due to bad hardening.

 

_________________

R.I.P HANS HARTMAN

Top
 Profile  
 
 
Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 2:58 pm 
Getting Side Ways
Offline

Posts: 2464

Joined: 5th Nov 2004

Gallery: 7 images

Location: Brisbane
QLD, Australia

I had this in an XD - cause in fact was a high volume oil pump.

The standard pumps work fine, and the additional load of a (High Volume) pump is just too much. Wears the Shaft, wears the dizzy gear.

Last edited by Nigel on Fri Dec 05, 2008 7:06 am, edited 1 time in total.

Top
 Profile  
 
 
Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 7:48 pm 
Getting Side Ways
Offline

Age: 115

Posts: 927

Joined: 27th Sep 2007

Location: Adelaide
SA, Australia

Nigel wrote:
I had this in an XD - cause in fact was a high volume oil pump.

The standard pumps work fine, and the additional load of a pump is just too much. Wears the Shaft, wears the dizzy gear.

Deleted

 

_________________

165 Killer Wasps all packaged in a green kmart car, almost an explorer in a way...

Top
 Profile  
 
 
Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 9:24 pm 
Technical Contributor
Offline
User avatar

Age: 59

Posts: 5659

Joined: 14th Jan 2005

Gallery: 10 images

Ride: 96 XH/97 EL

Location: South Coast
NSW, Australia

Got pics of the oil pump gear and dizzy drive gear Troy ???
I suspect differing wear rates on the gears.

I can't really see the cam angle sensor and dizzy shafts having different reach lengths in the block, otherwise the block face what be machined differently, and AFAIK, EF and EL blocks are the same, only the cranks differ (someone correct me if I'm wrong).

 

_________________

96 XH Longreach 'S': LPG, Alarm, 3.23:1 LSD, Cruise, Trip Comp, ABS, Power Windows, Mid Series Dome Lt, Climate Ctrl
97 EL Futura S/W: LPG, Alarm, LED int Lts, Trip Comp, F/Lane Dome Lt, Climate Ctrl, T5 Conversion

Top
 Profile  
 
 
Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 11:06 pm 
Smokin em up
Offline

Age: 61

Posts: 218

Joined: 12th Jun 2005

Location: hobart
TAS, Australia

interesting and worring because i have au2 running ed dizzy , anyhow old info that might help , ran straight 50 racing oil in a valiant years ago put to much pressure on the factory gears wore exactly the the same ????

seen same deal years ago with crow cams wearing factory 250 crossflow gears the same way after lots of talk to crow the cams were case hardend to hard

was the wear the same on the dizzy gear or less???

billit cams for chevs actualy need bronze dizzy gears to stop this also

ill keep watching this post and worry

 

_________________

NC2 Fairlane AU2 Intech 4.0 Wolf V500 ECU Accel 500cc Injectors Eaton M90 Blower MPx Porting 75mm Mustang TB Intercooler Holley 255lph EL XR6 Rear End 3.45 LSD Duel Fuel lots more.
Long and Very Nice

Top
 Profile  
 
 
Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2008 8:49 am 
Moderator
Offline

Posts: 14489

Joined: 7th Nov 2004

Ride: AU XR8

Location: a shit suburb in sydney
NSW, Australia

xfpaul wrote:
interesting and worring because i have au2 running ed dizzy , anyhow old info that might help , ran straight 50 racing oil in a valiant years ago put to much pressure on the factory gears wore exactly the the same ????

seen same deal years ago with crow cams wearing factory 250 crossflow gears the same way after lots of talk to crow the cams were case hardend to hard

was the wear the same on the dizzy gear or less???

billit cams for chevs actualy need bronze dizzy gears to stop this also

ill keep watching this post and worry


ive had the same issue with the old valiant hemi 6 as you descride but i think mine was tue to bad oil pump and floating cam......

ive also had a 250xflow with the same problem of chewing dizzy gears....

there is one thing that came to mind the other day..
i started using an aftermarket dizzy!! as the old one was getting alot of movement in the shaft..
and the gear on the aftermarket dizzy now has scoring but is not as bad as the aux shaft..
when the miss srarted i fitted a 2nd hand genuine dizzy and this also now has a damaged gear..
either the first dizzy caused it or it was the aftermarket one???
Top
 Profile  
 
 
Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2008 10:46 pm 
Smokin em up
Offline

Age: 61

Posts: 218

Joined: 12th Jun 2005

Location: hobart
TAS, Australia

thinking i will pull the dizzy and change the gear to the au idler/oil pump drive then should be au on au just in case they were mates for 100thousand ks with no troubles

 

_________________

NC2 Fairlane AU2 Intech 4.0 Wolf V500 ECU Accel 500cc Injectors Eaton M90 Blower MPx Porting 75mm Mustang TB Intercooler Holley 255lph EL XR6 Rear End 3.45 LSD Duel Fuel lots more.
Long and Very Nice

Top
 Profile  
 
 
Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 9:04 pm 
Getting Side Ways
Offline

Age: 72

Posts: 2542

Joined: 18th Mar 2006

Ride: EF-XR8chaser

Location: wollongong
NSW, Australia

xfpaul wrote:
thinking i will pull the dizzy and change the gear to the au idler/oil pump drive then should be au on au just in case they were mates for 100thousand ks with no troubles
depends on the supplier as to the gear cutting---depth and profile,hardening.this will make the rolling mesh good or bad.using the 1 model gears may be good and solve the problem.

 

_________________

R.I.P HANS HARTMAN

Top
 Profile  
 
 
Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 10:03 pm 
Getting Side Ways
Offline
User avatar

Posts: 3331

Joined: 27th Dec 2004

Gallery: 4 images

Ride: MCMXCV Falcon

Location: G town
VIC, Australia

but why would it cause a miss?

i would have thought it would eventually fail completely...but as long as the dizzy shaft is turning it shouldnt really cause a prob

 

_________________

Image

Top
 Profile  
 
 
Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 10:23 pm 
Moderator
Offline

Posts: 14489

Joined: 7th Nov 2004

Ride: AU XR8

Location: a shit suburb in sydney
NSW, Australia

gogetta wrote:
but why would it cause a miss?

i would have thought it would eventually fail completely...but as long as the dizzy shaft is turning it shouldnt really cause a prob


i think it is because the aux shaft was wearing uneven and the ignition timing was rising and falling on each rotation of the shaft..
at 3000+rpm the timing was fluctuating by about 15 deg + and -
Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:
Sort by  
 Page 10 of 12  [ 176 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12  Next

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Google Adsense [Bot] and 59 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

 

 

It is currently Fri Mar 29, 2024 9:42 pm All times are UTC + 11 hours

 

 

(c)2014 Total Web Solutions Australia - Australian Web Hosting and Domain Names