Fordmods Logo

Engine rebuild parts list/cost/requirements/information 

 

Page 1 of 7 [ 98 posts ] Go to page 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 ... 7  Next

 
 Post subject: Engine rebuild parts list/cost/requirements/information
Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 2:29 pm 
Fordmods Junkie
Offline
User avatar

Posts: 11739

Joined: 17th May 2005

Gallery: 11 images

Ride: EL Fairmont, VFR400 racer

Power: 144 rwkw

Location: Melbourne
VIC, Australia

Hey everyone

I thought it was time to do a bit of work on my old engine...it has been sitting in the garage for 3 or 4 years and has seen better days. I have a feeling I have inadvertedly killed my current engine due to lack of service, abuse and neglect, so when it dies, I will just drop the rebuilt one in.

Anyways I am going to attempt to rebuild the old motor from top to bottom however I am not 100% sure on how to do everything. I have read a lot about how to do it...but reading is much easier than doing most of the time.

My first thing is to collect everything I need to start, however with different brands/types/interchangeability of parts...I thought I'd post the question to the more mechanical experts/professionals to help me out, if they can, for pros and cons on particular parts and brands

The list of main parts so far that I think I will need:

ACL rebuild kit - Race or standard? I don't do much crazy driving or drags, but my logic is...build it fast and proper, if used sedately it will last longer?...or am I naive.
AU MLS gasket - Thanks George
AU head bolts - Thanks again George
Gasket kits - I've used the VRS one before, but are there any differences between other brands?
Oil Pump - have got 2 quotes from different companies selling different brands (Nason $150, Precision $170...from Repco/Bursons respectively)
Timing chain kit - haven't looked at them, so any brand recommendations would be good.
Heater bypass - don't think you can get them new, might get one made up if need be.
Welsh plugs - copper or steel?
Water pump - Got a genuine for the current motor and seems to be of no concern...so might get another one from Ford (if price is right). If they are too dear, any alternatives?
Harmonic Balancer - Wouldn't have a clue, so any recommendations please.
Distributor - I might re-use the one that's currently in it. I have pulled it out and seems okay, but if a new one is needed...any alternatives? I hear Bosch don't make them no more and I don't want auxillary shaft problems with cheapies.
Sensors - probably just the hard to reach sensors.

There are plenty more parts, but for now those are probably all I am looking for. I will be buying the items slowly overtime, so I am hoping my current motor will last me at least another year and a bit. Regarding items for the head (standard EL head), probably just upgrade the valve springs (XR/Crow/AU maybe), get it checked, new seals if need be etc. If I can be bothered, might try a bit of home porting.

With the block, I will strip the easy stuff off, balancer, distributor, sensors, timing case/chain/gears, oil pan, water pump and oil pump (anything else?). Not sure if I should remove the crankshaft/rods/pistons (making sure I mark as I go) and get the block cleaned/decked/checked professionally and then put it back together myself or get the pros to. Don't mind trying myself, might just need help with Gudgeon pins (?)...supposedly hard to put in properly so they are centred.

I am hoping to build it to at least a reliable stock engine with some upgraded items, just in case I feel like putting some performance parts later on.

Once I get all the parts together and start on it, I'll put a document together like the Head Gasket Guide for anyone who wants to attempt this themselves.

If you can help out with rough prices that would be good too...but not necessary. Just need to know what brands people trust from experience and I'll chase the prices down myself.

Thank you all in advance.

Cheers
Phong

 

_________________

phongus = Post whore 2006
EL XR6 motor, EL ECU + J3 chip, WADE 1673 Camshaft, 3" S/S intake, Pacy 4480, 2.5" Hi flow cat, 2.5" Lukey exhaust.
Max Power = 144.6 rwkw (03/05/2008)

Last edited by phongus on Tue Sep 27, 2011 5:40 pm, edited 2 times in total.

Top
 Profile  
 
 
 Post subject: Re: Rebuild parts list
Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 3:42 pm 
SA Cruise Moderator
Offline
User avatar

Age: 30

Posts: 1870

Joined: 14th Apr 2006

Ride: 1993 EBll xr6, 2003 ba xt

Power: 150 rwkw

Location: Whyalla
SA, Australia

ill be watching this with great interest...

 

_________________

Owning 1 of 84,847 ebII.
2x clarion subs 1200w, 1x clarion amp 400w, pioneer headunit, 16x8 roh reflex.
Clear side, front indicators, White dials, trip computer, boot spoiler, K & N air filter.
35% tint, paint code (z) stark white, 3" crome nudge bar, Xh snorkle

Top
 Profile  
 
 
 Post subject: Re: Rebuild parts list
Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 5:28 pm 
Getting Side Ways
Offline
User avatar

Age: 54

Posts: 844

Joined: 12th Aug 2007

Gallery: 22 images

Ride: AU2 XR8 ute & 91 EA bitsa

Location: Melbourne
VIC, Australia

For ball park figures, I can PM you itemised receipts from Hoppers Cylinder Heads for doing the block & head if that's any help. You're in the western suburbs?

 

_________________

AU2 XR8 with Raptor VL, ported Yella Terra GT40P heads, Scorpion 1.6 RRs, XE264HR-14 Comp Cam, ceramic coated Hurricane Headers, 60lb injectors, Walbro 255, 200cfi cats, 3" exhaust & Snow Performance water methanol injection

Top
 Profile  
 
 
 Post subject: Re: Rebuild parts list
Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 5:47 pm 
Fordmods Junkie
Offline
User avatar

Posts: 11739

Joined: 17th May 2005

Gallery: 11 images

Ride: EL Fairmont, VFR400 racer

Power: 144 rwkw

Location: Melbourne
VIC, Australia

Shortshift wrote:
For ball park figures, I can PM you itemised receipts from Hoppers Cylinder Heads for doing the block & head if that's any help. You're in the western suburbs?


That would be great thanks. Yeah I'm from the west so they are pretty close. Thanks

 

_________________

phongus = Post whore 2006
EL XR6 motor, EL ECU + J3 chip, WADE 1673 Camshaft, 3" S/S intake, Pacy 4480, 2.5" Hi flow cat, 2.5" Lukey exhaust.
Max Power = 144.6 rwkw (03/05/2008)

Top
 Profile  
 
 
 Post subject: Re: Rebuild parts list
Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 7:30 pm 
Getting Side Ways
Offline

Age: 48

Posts: 429

Joined: 3rd Jan 2005

Ride: AU XR6 with BF Turbo engine

Location: Sydney
NSW, Australia

phongus wrote:
The list of main parts so far that I think I will need:

ACL rebuild kit - Race or standard? I don't do much crazy driving or drags, but my logic is...build it fast and proper, if used sedately it will last longer?...or am I naive.

I prefer the ACL race bearings and pistons.
phongus wrote:
AU MLS gasket - Thanks George
AU head bolts - Thanks again George
Gasket kits - I've used the VRS one before, but are there any differences between other brands?

Get a full gasket set, use a permaseal one with a MLS head gasket. Depending on what head you have, you may need valve stem seals on top
phongus wrote:
Oil Pump - have got 2 quotes from different companies selling different brands (Nason $150, Precision $170...from Repco/Bursons respectively)

probably JP ones for them both
phongus wrote:
Timing chain kit - haven't looked at them, so any brand recommendations would be good.

Use a genuine Rolon one. The cheap ones can break up and drop crap thru the motor.
phongus wrote:
Heater bypass - don't think you can get them new, might get one made up if need be.

not sure what you mean?
phongus wrote:
Welsh plugs - copper or steel?

brass is better, as the will wear out instead of eating the block out
phongus wrote:
Water pump - Got a genuine for the current motor and seems to be of no concern...so might get another one from Ford (if price is right). If they are too dear, any alternatives?

Use a GMB one, make sure its genuine GMB
phongus wrote:
Harmonic Balancer - Wouldn't have a clue, so any recommendations please.

powerbond

 

_________________

RIP :( 1x confused Falcon..EL Falcon with full AU running gear...VCT, 5 speed, IRS, AUII front suspension, brakes, and steering RIP

Top
 Profile  
 
 
 Post subject: Re: Rebuild parts list
Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 7:44 pm 
Getting Side Ways
Offline
User avatar

Age: 25

Posts: 4599

Joined: 30th Aug 2010

Ride: BF XR6,

Location: NEWCASTLE
NSW, Australia

i put a bosch dizzy gear on what seemed to be a chinese dizzy and it all fitted the same as the other one, the reason i swapped them was because i had bought a car with a buggered aux shaft and decided to pop the gear off the dizzy and swap it with the gear from a ef crank angle sensor and the dizzy didnt seem to have much play so my guess is the gear was the cause of the buggered shaft so now i have a genuine bosch on a chinese dizzy(doesnt seem to have anything stamped on it and i thought bosch would stamp there name on a genuine one) not sure if anything ive said is any good info to you
thanks

 

_________________

BF XR6
xr8 snorkel,typhoon lower snorkel,territory intake pipe,20% underdrive kit,pacemaker extractors,high flow cat,xforce exhaust,t56 conversion hd turbo clutch/ flywheel,m86 3.45 lsd,custom tune187.1rwkw as an auto

Top
 Profile  
 
 
 Post subject: Re: Rebuild parts list
Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 9:24 pm 
Stock as a Rock
Offline

Age: 25

Posts: 191

Joined: 30th Dec 2010

Gallery: 2 images

Ride: Ford Falcon EA

Location: Ballarat
VIC, Australia

if you plan on doing headwork and getting a decent cam put in, use Flowcraft. they are well worth the $$$$ compared to Hoppers heads, get a JP high volume oil pump VPW website has price, Nason timing chain set, maybe a vernier, i chose Rollmaster. Hypertech pistons. i am getting a engine built so if you wanna know what else im using or prices feel free to ask me.

Cheers,
Brandon
Top
 Profile  
 
 
 Post subject: Re: Rebuild parts list
Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 9:25 pm 
Fordmods Junkie
Offline
User avatar

Posts: 11739

Joined: 17th May 2005

Gallery: 11 images

Ride: EL Fairmont, VFR400 racer

Power: 144 rwkw

Location: Melbourne
VIC, Australia

Thanks for that macxr8. Just what I needed :D.

I'll get a list of prices for parts and post them up. Just to make sure I'm not being ripped off or anything.

In regards to the headgasket, what do you mean by permaseal? I just bought a normal AU MLS headgasket...or is this something different? Also I was planning on getting a whole VRS/ACL gasket kit which usually comes with all gaskets needed. With the head, stem seals will probably need to be replaced...might as well while it's out.

Heater bypass is the piping that wraps around the back of the engine and connects to the back of the water pump (pretty sure it's called a heater bypass pipe) running under the BBM.

So far:

ACL Race series rebuild kit
Rolon/Nason Timing chain kit
Brass welsh plugs
GMB water pump
Powerbond harmonic balancer
JP oil pump

 

_________________

phongus = Post whore 2006
EL XR6 motor, EL ECU + J3 chip, WADE 1673 Camshaft, 3" S/S intake, Pacy 4480, 2.5" Hi flow cat, 2.5" Lukey exhaust.
Max Power = 144.6 rwkw (03/05/2008)

Last edited by phongus on Thu Sep 22, 2011 9:36 pm, edited 2 times in total.

Top
 Profile  
 
 
 Post subject: Re: Rebuild parts list
Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 9:30 pm 
Stock as a Rock
Offline

Age: 25

Posts: 191

Joined: 30th Dec 2010

Gallery: 2 images

Ride: Ford Falcon EA

Location: Ballarat
VIC, Australia

permaseal is another brand the do MLS. can cost upto $300 for their race MLS. Genuine AU MLS will do fine

Cheers,
Brandon
Top
 Profile  
 
 
 Post subject: Re: Rebuild parts list
Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 9:33 pm 
Fordmods Junkie
Offline
User avatar

Posts: 11739

Joined: 17th May 2005

Gallery: 11 images

Ride: EL Fairmont, VFR400 racer

Power: 144 rwkw

Location: Melbourne
VIC, Australia

bry40l wrote:
i put a bosch dizzy gear on what seemed to be a chinese dizzy and it all fitted the same as the other one, the reason i swapped them was because i had bought a car with a buggered aux shaft and decided to pop the gear off the dizzy and swap it with the gear from a ef crank angle sensor and the dizzy didnt seem to have much play so my guess is the gear was the cause of the buggered shaft so now i have a genuine bosch on a chinese dizzy(doesnt seem to have anything stamped on it and i thought bosch would stamp there name on a genuine one) not sure if anything ive said is any good info to you
thanks


Thanks for that, I will probably keep my original Distributor for now, it was running before so hopefully it still runs when I am done with the motor. If all fails, I'll have to do the Chinese top/Aussie bottom for the distributor assembly.

EA-SPAC-88 wrote:
if you plan on doing headwork and getting a decent cam put in, use Flowcraft. they are well worth the $$$$ compared to Hoppers heads, get a JP high volume oil pump VPW website has price, Nason timing chain set, maybe a vernier, i chose Rollmaster. Hypertech pistons. i am getting a engine built so if you wanna know what else im using or prices feel free to ask me.

Cheers,
Brandon


Thanks heaps Brandon. I will give VPW a call in regards to the JP oil pump and other stuff, totally forgot about them...I did my buy Rollmaster cam gear from them for my current motor and haven't had issues. Going to keep the cam stock for now, since the current motor already has Wade 1673 cam with Rollmaster cam gear, so probably just swap them over later on. If you can pm me the prices that would be great :)

Rollmaster also make timing chain kits don't they? Probably be dear but I'll compare the prices.

Cheers

EDIT: you replied while I was typing haha

EA-SPAC-88 wrote:
permaseal is another brand the do MLS. can cost upto $300 for their race MLS. Genuine AU MLS will do fine

Cheers,
Brandon


Thanks again Brandon...since I have the AU one at the moment, I'll probably just stick with that.

 

_________________

phongus = Post whore 2006
EL XR6 motor, EL ECU + J3 chip, WADE 1673 Camshaft, 3" S/S intake, Pacy 4480, 2.5" Hi flow cat, 2.5" Lukey exhaust.
Max Power = 144.6 rwkw (03/05/2008)

Top
 Profile  
 
 
 Post subject: Re: Rebuild parts list
Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 9:57 pm 
Fordmods Junkie
Offline
User avatar

Posts: 11739

Joined: 17th May 2005

Gallery: 11 images

Ride: EL Fairmont, VFR400 racer

Power: 144 rwkw

Location: Melbourne
VIC, Australia

After a quick browse through VPW Performance online I got the following prices.

Powerbond Harmonic Balancer - $145.55
Rollmaster timing gear kit - $127.76
JP high volume oil pump - $96.17

Probably get it cheaper if I buy a whole lot off them, but just gauging prices first.

EDIT: Some Ebay browsing

GMB water pump (PowerMax...same thing?) - $60 posted Ebay link
Nason Timing kit - $84.00 posted Ebay Link

 

_________________

phongus = Post whore 2006
EL XR6 motor, EL ECU + J3 chip, WADE 1673 Camshaft, 3" S/S intake, Pacy 4480, 2.5" Hi flow cat, 2.5" Lukey exhaust.
Max Power = 144.6 rwkw (03/05/2008)

Last edited by phongus on Thu Sep 22, 2011 10:57 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Top
 Profile  
 
 
 Post subject: Re: Rebuild parts list
Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 10:04 pm 
Stock as a Rock
Offline

Age: 25

Posts: 191

Joined: 30th Dec 2010

Gallery: 2 images

Ride: Ford Falcon EA

Location: Ballarat
VIC, Australia

phongus wrote:
After a quick browse through VPW Performance online I got the following prices.

Powerbond Harmonic Balancer - $145.55
Rollmaster timing gear kit - $127.76
JP high volume oil pump - $96.17

Probably get it cheaper if I buy a whole lot off them, but just gauging prices first.


I got the Rollmaster Vernier from Engine.Master from ebay and it cost me $160 delivered. but the nason timing chain will do for what your plans are.

Cheers,
Brandon
Top
 Profile  
 
 
 Post subject: Re: Rebuild parts list
Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 10:51 pm 
Getting Side Ways
Offline

Age: 66

Posts: 2548

Joined: 18th Mar 2006

Ride: EF-XR8chaser

Location: wollongong
NSW, Australia

phongus wrote:
After a quick browse through VPW Performance online I got the following prices.

Powerbond Harmonic Balancer - $145.55
Rollmaster timing gear kit - $127.76
JP high volume oil pump - $96.17

Probably get it cheaper if I buy a whole lot off them, but just gauging prices first.

vrs is head only,you still need sump,timing case,f\r main seals and any more come in full set.balance the motor as well

 

_________________

R.I.P HANS HARTMAN

Top
 Profile  
 
 
 Post subject: Re: Rebuild parts list
Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 11:03 pm 
Fordmods Junkie
Offline
User avatar

Posts: 11739

Joined: 17th May 2005

Gallery: 11 images

Ride: EL Fairmont, VFR400 racer

Power: 144 rwkw

Location: Melbourne
VIC, Australia

hans hartman wrote:
phongus wrote:
After a quick browse through VPW Performance online I got the following prices.

Powerbond Harmonic Balancer - $145.55
Rollmaster timing gear kit - $127.76
JP high volume oil pump - $96.17

Probably get it cheaper if I buy a whole lot off them, but just gauging prices first.

vrs is head only,you still need sump,timing case,f\r main seals and any more come in full set.balance the motor as well


Ahh right didn't think that one through. Timing case might come with timing gear kit or maybe ACL race series engine rebuild kit?

Got to get a quote for the engine rebuild kit, which according to their site comes with all gaskets.

 

_________________

phongus = Post whore 2006
EL XR6 motor, EL ECU + J3 chip, WADE 1673 Camshaft, 3" S/S intake, Pacy 4480, 2.5" Hi flow cat, 2.5" Lukey exhaust.
Max Power = 144.6 rwkw (03/05/2008)

Top
 Profile  
 
 
 Post subject: Re: Rebuild parts list
Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 11:05 pm 
Stock as a Rock
Offline

Age: 25

Posts: 191

Joined: 30th Dec 2010

Gallery: 2 images

Ride: Ford Falcon EA

Location: Ballarat
VIC, Australia

hans hartman wrote:
phongus wrote:
After a quick browse through VPW Performance online I got the following prices.

Powerbond Harmonic Balancer - $145.55
Rollmaster timing gear kit - $127.76
JP high volume oil pump - $96.17

Probably get it cheaper if I buy a whole lot off them, but just gauging prices first.

balance the motor as well



great pickup, i had it done and it wont cost that much either.
Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:
Sort by  
 Page 1 of 7  [ 98 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 ... 7  Next

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 17 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

 

 

It is currently Thu Dec 14, 2017 6:20 am All times are UTC + 11 hours

 

 

(c)2014 Total Web Solutions Australia - Australian Web Hosting and Domain Names