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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 6:48 pm 
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A mate of mine has a Ford Probe and hes wanting to get a bit more balls out of it, the thing seems to get off the line pretty dam hard but cant keep that power going. He has a custom CAI which has made a nice difference and he is going to get extractors and a 2.25" catback put on.

They put out about 90 something wheel kw's as standard which is pretty good for the weight of the car and the size of the engine, he wants to get about 130ish wheel kw's from it.

Is there anyone else that knows much about these engines? What else can you do to them other then turbo or supercharge, are there any simples mods to do to them to open them up a bit more?. I know you can get the KLZE intake manifold for them but they seem to be a rip off for the amount of power you gain.

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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 7:54 pm 
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Yeah......, good luck with that....might be worth checking out Yankee web sites on that car, since thats where they're from.

 

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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 8:01 pm 
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nitrous.......................... cheap easy power. a single fogger wet system will work well.

turbo would be the way to go.
I'm in the middle of doing a turbo setup on one at work.

 

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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 8:03 pm 
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I was going to get one of them when the EA died, but still preferred the spacious and power of the Falcons :P.

I think when I was looking at the cost of modifying a Probe and it was going to cost me more then what I have done to my car. The engine, I think, is similar to the Mazda V6, but not too sure.

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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 8:08 pm 
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Yeah they are the same engines as the MX6, they go pretty hard for what they are. I think different camshafts would help but not sure how much it would cost. It needs more mid range because it only gets power after 4500rpm. It would give a stock EL falcon a hiding i'd say. He can get me off the line alot or we are even to about 70k's then i pull away. Havn't race him with my new engine or the cam yet though.

 

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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 8:29 pm 
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tickford_6 wrote:
nitrous.......................... cheap easy power. a single fogger wet system will work well.

turbo would be the way to go.
I'm in the middle of doing a turbo setup on one at work.


Oh really, like a kit? What sort of price would someone be looking for it?

 

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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:37 pm 
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Given the $$$ involved with custom blowers (you would also need to do a fair bit to the brakes/suspension to handle 130+ rwkw). I'd be going down the pathway of lowering the body weight for better acceleration.

For $5000 you could have a stripped out n/a warrior running the best of everything...

 

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Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 8:19 pm 
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GeZza200 wrote:
tickford_6 wrote:
nitrous.......................... cheap easy power. a single fogger wet system will work well.

turbo would be the way to go.
I'm in the middle of doing a turbo setup on one at work.


Oh really, like a kit? What sort of price would someone be looking for it?



The guy bought a 'bolt on kit' from the USA, about the only thing we can use of it are the headers. the Y pipe and 'up' we had to make, as well as the dump pipe. (the turbo sits where the air box is on a stock one.)

most people use the stock cast iron headers and build the y pipe and up to sit the turbo in the same place.

injectors on these thing are like nothing i've seen befor, we havn't found any replacments, looks like we'll have to use a rising rate reg (not that realy want to)

intercooler is from the states too, but will need custom pipe work.

probably looking at something near $8000

 

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Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 1:02 am 
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ok nice thats bit too pricey for what he wants, wat sort of power would that pull?

Hes looking into getting the KLZE manifold and cams, apprently they can pull 14's with out too much mods

 

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Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 1:08 pm 
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cjh is right that there will be more information on yank sites, but also gotta remember yanks have this common quality to exaggerate everything, they always talk everything up and there figures they give from dynos are sus imo, there dyno's are VERY hp happy.

GezZa200 your mate will not pull 14's with bolt ons and KLZE cams and intake manifold. the intake manifold and cams dont do that much as they really need the the KLZE block and Heads to work at full potential. you will find that the cams will make the car slightly more aggressive but wont gain alot of power and the intake manifold the ports will not match so hell need pheno spacers to fix this issue and then those will throw his vris points out so hell need a aftermarket eeprom chip. and if u add all of this up he had basically spent what it would cost to buy a hole KLZE engine and get it fitted.
Your name and car looks really fimilar, have i seen you around maybe :P lol

tickford_6, cleary that guys car your working on did not do alot of research before he embarked on doing this turbo project? because at $8000 figure you hav given is way to much. The ebay turbo kits are rubbish except for the pipes, alot of pplz have said these pipes do hold up and the dump pipe should of been fine aswell. everything else is junk depending on the kit he got.
Should have a look at some mazda millenia injectors(altho youll have to get them from america) or i believe the 240sx injectors can work with the probe also dont forget your going to need to get a bigger fuel pump, a rising rate reg will not be good enough without a fuel pump and injectors upgrade. Your going to have problems if you do that.
Easily could of got an evo intercooler or something off the net but also could of bought an intercooler kit of ebay for around 500 delivered. And from what ive read that intercooler and pipes isnt the greatest of quality but assuming his not running high boost at first they would work fine on a lower boost.
I think $8000 is abit ova the top figure, the kit from probeaddiction which has everything and of a good quality not ebay quality is only $2000 u.s + delivery (not sure bout costs there) and only thing youd need to do is fuel upgrades which is only $500 if you are smart with your buying, then + labour costs depending on if you do the install or not yourself, either way it would be alot less than the $8000 figure you have proposed.
The thing with turbo setup is that for first 6 months you are going to have little things go wrong and little niggles with the setup, you just have to be prepared for that.
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Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 8:49 pm 
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tickford_6, cleary that guys car your working on did not do alot of research before he embarked on doing this turbo project? because at $8000 figure you hav given is way to much. The ebay turbo kits are rubbish except for the pipes, alot of pplz have said these pipes do hold up and the dump pipe should of been fine aswell. everything else is junk depending on the kit he got.
Should have a look at some mazda millenia injectors(altho youll have to get them from america) or i believe the 240sx injectors can work with the probe also dont forget your going to need to get a bigger fuel pump, a rising rate reg will not be good enough without a fuel pump and injectors upgrade. Your going to have problems if you do that.
Easily could of got an evo intercooler or something off the net but also could of bought an intercooler kit of ebay for around 500 delivered. And from what ive read that intercooler and pipes isnt the greatest of quality but assuming his not running high boost at first they would work fine on a lower boost.
I think $8000 is abit ova the top figure, the kit from probeaddiction which has everything and of a good quality not ebay quality is only $2000 u.s + delivery (not sure bout costs there) and only thing youd need to do is fuel upgrades which is only $500 if you are smart with your buying, then + labour costs depending on if you do the install or not yourself, either way it would be alot less than the $8000 figure you have proposed.
The thing with turbo setup is that for first 6 months you are going to have little things go wrong and little niggles with the setup, you just have to be prepared for that.



interesting first post.

we couldn't use his stuff becaus it simply did not fit.

turbo $2200
exhaust system $2300 ($800 of that is mufflers and cat converter)
ECU $1400

the list goes on.
bosch 044 pump
intercooler piping, to suit the intercooler he wanted to use, (not the cheapest s**t he could fine, it's a good quality one and worth the money he paid for it.
speedflow oil and water line and fittings. including the the oil drain from the turbo being made with a custom adapter to fit an AN fitting from the turbo with stainless -10 line to the sump, wich has been removed and a
-10 weld-on fitted so we can make it leak proof.

water line for the turbo are done in -6 braid.

with a post like yours you obviously have alot of spare time.

go an get prices on this list.

speedflow two 101-6, two 102-6, 1.2m of 100-6 line, two 999-6d, one 999-10s, one 103-10, one 102-10, 0.6m 100-10 line, 816-10, 816-4,
two 403-4 and 1m 400-4 line.

that should be all the parts used in the oil and water lines for the turbo.
then ad labour to put it all together.

We are performace workshop and retailer, we do real work and we do it very very well, you get what you payfor

 

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Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 11:59 am 
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As for the turbo and exhaust system, i guess each to their own with how much they pay, as it varies where you source it from.
The ECU is also a each to their own preference part.

as for the bosch fuel pump for up to 500hp i sourced to be $150-200 brand new then shipping costs.
As for the intercooler, yes u get what u pay for for but his gonna be boosting at 8psi tops, and if he boosts above that goodluck to his engine, cuz his internals will NOT last. and at that a good intercooler is still only $500-600 cuz u cant fit massive intercoolers to the car cuz they just dont fit without cutting which legally ur not aloud to do.
As for the speedflow -6 braid oil and water lines i had alook today and there easily getable for 300-350
Mate its called RESEARCH, you just dont decide i want a turbo then go to ur local shop and go hey guys i want a turbo for this car and splash cash at them. You should do some real research and talk to people who have successful turbo setups in mx6's and probes, which clearly ive done.

I cant comment on labour, as each shop is different and will charge a different rate and will allocate a different amount of time to take to hook everything up.

Yes you do get what you pay for, but this kit is easily achieveable at the same quality for 2000-2500 less than uve quoted there. If the guy had of actually spent some time researching this hed would know that.
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Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 12:16 pm 
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Does the Ford Escape/Mazda Tribute 3.0l fit in? or the CX7 3.5L?
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Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 8:14 pm 
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As for the turbo and exhaust system, i guess each to their own with how much they pay, as it varies where you source it from.
The ECU is also a each to their own preference part.

as for the bosch fuel pump for up to 500hp i sourced to be $150-200 brand new then shipping costs.
As for the intercooler, yes u get what u pay for for but his gonna be boosting at 8psi tops, and if he boosts above that goodluck to his engine, cuz his internals will NOT last. and at that a good intercooler is still only $500-600 cuz u cant fit massive intercoolers to the car cuz they just dont fit without cutting which legally ur not aloud to do.
As for the speedflow -6 braid oil and water lines i had alook today and there easily getable for 300-350
Mate its called RESEARCH, you just dont decide i want a turbo then go to ur local shop and go hey guys i want a turbo for this car and splash cash at them. You should do some real research and talk to people who have successful turbo setups in mx6's and probes, which clearly ive done.

I cant comment on labour, as each shop is different and will charge a different rate and will allocate a different amount of time to take to hook everything up.

Yes you do get what you pay for, but this kit is easily achieveable at the same quality for 2000-2500 less than uve quoted there. If the guy had of actually spent some time researching this hed would know that.



yeah i know what you mean about research. the folder he bought in with all the pages from probeadiction, pags and pages of emails from guys he's been talking with in the states.

the difference is, he's not a tight a*** whos got the time to sit around hunting bargins. he did his research, he'd just rather pay the extra for a top quality hassel free job, then risk have poor quality parts turn up and having the car in and out of the workshop as fast as possible.

thanks for proving the point about the speed flow. add to the $350 in parts, the cost of assembling and fitting. thats $20 standard fee for each hose to assemble so an extra $80 for that. the take the sump off do drill and weld the needed fitting at that end. lets just call it 2.5 hours plus the new oil and filter and sealer for the sump, so $220 in labour $70 for the oil and $22 for a K and N oil filter
that about $750 for that lot. it could be done for 1/4 that cost with cheap hose and hose clamps and cheap steel barb fitting and knock in fitting in the sump for the drain. but like i said and you agree, you get what you pay for.

Rather the risk ordering a second set of headers and turbo pipes that dont fit, he asked us to custom make it. we used what we could of the stuff he already had the rest is all custom mirror finished stainless steel.
a pair of 3 inch hooker mufflers and good quality cat.

He wanted a roller bearing turbo capable of 550hp, so that what we got him, they retail for $2200.

He did his research, he just wasn't prepaired to settle for an average job.
Hence he came to us, to get a top quality job done with no fuss and fast turnaround time.

Why does it always have to be about 'could have done it cheaper my way'
this is what he WANTED.
that is what it costs.

He also has another engine on it's way, so it can be built to take the power he wants, the current engine will only see about 6psi until the second one built and fitted.

by the way we do the 044 pumps for $220 and we keep them in stock all the time.

I still can't see how you could be comenting on the quality of a job with out seeing it?


the only thing that you've 'clearly done' is be a d**k head

 

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Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 9:22 pm 
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You speak as sif your shop specialises in working on KL series motors.
But each to their own, if the dude has 8000 to blow then why not pay someone else to do all the work. id personally prefer to be involved and know abit about my turbo setup but as i said each to their own.
Question tho if he had pages of probeaddiction stuff and was willing to spend watever to get the setup done y did he not just purchase there stuff? its all at a high quality, probeaddiction is known as good quality but abit pricey.

Either way this thread has taken the wrong turn here, no need to turn it into a turbo setup price argument.
The KLDE which comes in australian probes is still a good engine, and the key is gettin power down. if you can get traction with some mods that car should do pretty well, theres some mx6 and probe owners who have run 15flat's and 15.2's with simple bolt ons.
He should do all the bolt ons such as full exhaust, CAI, underdrive pulley, lightended flywheel, short throw shifter and then he should access where his engine is at and if its close to or past 200,000kms drop a KLZE in it, all the bolt ons he has done previously will fit straight on the KLZE.
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