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 Post subject: Head and Cam Packages
Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 10:15 am 
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Hey Guys,

Im looking at getting a head and cam package, after some research on here and google it seems that the CMS stage 3 package looks to be the way to go.

Has anyone on here have any of these installed in thier cars? how do they perform? how did you go with tuning the car, etc etc.

My biggest issue is that i live in Brisbane so im going have get it sent up here and get a base tune from TI just to get the car to start, its my daily driver so i need to do the head change over a weekend.

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 Post subject: Re: Head and Cam Packages
Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2014 1:23 am 
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similar situation here

 

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 Post subject: Re: Head and Cam Packages
Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2014 6:03 am 
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javier86 wrote:
Hey Guys,

Im looking at getting a head and cam package, after some research on here and google it seems that the CMS stage 3 package looks to be the way to go.

Has anyone on here have any of these installed in thier cars? how do they perform? how did you go with tuning the car, etc etc.

My biggest issue is that i live in Brisbane so im going have get it sent up here and get a base tune from TI just to get the car to start, its my daily driver so i need to do the head change over a weekend.

Cheers.


Contact Joe at CMS. I am running a Stage 3 head and it is great. Many others have run other combinations 3 head with 2 cam etc. I run the stock XR cam but have my own reasons for that.
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 Post subject: Re: Head and Cam Packages
Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2014 10:52 pm 
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care to share your reason?

I mean, if its some sort of technical reason. :?

 

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 Post subject: Re: Head and Cam Packages
Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2014 12:04 am 
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coz there cams are s**t!

 

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 Post subject: Re: Head and Cam Packages
Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2014 5:39 am 
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the stig wrote:
coz there cams are s**t!


Funny C***.

Their cams are fine and perform extremly well.

I use the XR cam due to my setup, no other reason. May use a stage2 later or even a custim grind.
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 Post subject: Re: Head and Cam Packages
Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2014 9:44 am 
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imo they are nothing but trouble
I had a stage 3 and it kept braking rockers and could never get it to stop rattling
I believed the hype based on forum say so and was led down the garden path
I now know who there cams were getting ground by
and there heads are not done in house they are done elsewhere
your paying premium money and getting someone else work

yes im a funny C*** coz I wasted near 2g to only gain 20kw
might have been impressive 10 year ago but not by todays standards

 

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 Post subject: Re: Head and Cam Packages
Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2014 10:12 am 
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Thanks for the replys guys I'll do a little more research on the matter being based in Brisbane I don't have the luxury of just going to his workshop should something go wrong. And I haven't found any workshops in Brisbane that like to play with anything pre BA :(

 

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 Post subject: Re: Head and Cam Packages
Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2014 11:37 am 
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Javier,

I'm also considering Clive Cams (from Victoria) (03) 9758 5977 . He will do a custom regrind for around $250 on an exchange basis. Could be an option seeing as you only have to post the cam. I believe you just let him know what mods you've done and exactly what type of cam you want. You may have to add shims?

SWC

I have a EL hybrid engine (has problems) sitting here - I just need to confirm that the cam out of it will fit the AU and nothing else will have to be swapped over? Also, I Don't want to have to do any head work however I've heard that you must have double springs. Is that correct?

 

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 Post subject: Re: Head and Cam Packages
Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2014 11:40 am 
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drewh wrote:
Javier,

I'm also considering Clive Cams (from Victoria) (03) 9758 5977 . He will do a custom regrind for around $250 on an exchange basis. Could be an option seeing as you only have to post the cam. I believe you just let him know what mods you've done and exactly what type of cam you want. You may have to add shims?

SWC

I have a EL hybrid engine (has problems) sitting here - I just need to confirm that the cam out of it will fit the AU and nothing else will have to be swapped over? Also, I Don't want to have to do any head work however I've heard that you must have double springs. Is that correct?


The EL Hybrid cam will fit the AU. As for spings, it will depend on the "grind" of the cam.
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 Post subject: Re: Head and Cam Packages
Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 5:37 pm 
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SWC wrote:
javier86 wrote:
Hey Guys,

Im looking at getting a head and cam package, after some research on here and google it seems that the CMS stage 3 package looks to be the way to go.

Has anyone on here have any of these installed in thier cars? how do they perform? how did you go with tuning the car, etc etc.

My biggest issue is that i live in Brisbane so im going have get it sent up here and get a base tune from TI just to get the car to start, its my daily driver so i need to do the head change over a weekend.

Cheers.


Contact Joe at CMS. I am running a Stage 3 head and it is great. Many others have run other combinations 3 head with 2 cam etc. I run the stock XR cam but have my own reasons for that.

Can you tell me what was modified on that head package and what the cam specs are please.
We do cnc ported head and cam packages that we believe are very competitive and offer excellent performance. We have just completed a cnc ported package to suit the BF turbo hi swirl head. will have numbers shortly.
Rod, AED.
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 Post subject: Re: Head and Cam Packages
Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2014 11:02 pm 
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I will share my experience with you guys. I had a wade 977b cam and head work by L.W Parry where Shane used to work. Shane did a fantastic job on my head. Paid $800. I made 151rwkw with 425rwnm. I decided to go bigger so i went wade 1521a cam and i heard that Shane now was working at cms. I took my other head i had due to being a virgin cylinder head and had no issues to cms for a stage 3 job. I did request for Shane to do it. What i got is my head i gave was no good. Cms supplied me another head same vintage 96AB. I supplied camtech springs, locks and retainers. I requested to have 125 psi seat pressures. After it was all ready Shane didn't port my head they send it out to another shop and couldn't tell me what they set my seat pressures at. After $1800 for a stage 3 head only which i supplied head (no good), springs, locks and retainers. I felt like i had d***head written on my forehead. After installing it all on my engine i took it to the same dyno. I made 155rwkw with 390rwnm. I felt i lost lots of torque which i did. I put my 977b cam back in with the cms stage 3 head. drove the car and felt more torque (got my torque back again). Went to the same dyno again. Made 149rwkw with 377rwnm. WTF I felt more torque now but it was raining maybe that was a problem I don't know. Now i have the camtech 845 cam and still the cms stage 3 head. Very happy with this cam but not too sure about the head tho. The morel of the story is that i felt i got ripped off by cms which i could have taken it to another cylinder head shop and got the same job done cheaper and spoken to the people that did the job not the middle man.

 

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 Post subject: Re: Head and Cam Packages
Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 8:31 am 
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We see this sort of thing happen all the time. People start up hi performance shops that have no real formal training in proper engine machining/ racing engine preparation. Promise the world, we can do this or that and then send it out for someone else to do.
When you next get work like this done, have a look at what equipment they have, find out what they do in house and experience they have. You may be surprised.
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Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 8:42 am 
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AED262 wrote:
We see this sort of thing happen all the time. People start up hi performance shops that have no real formal training in proper engine machining/ racing engine preparation. Promise the world, we can do this or that and then send it out for someone else to do.
When you next get work like this done, have a look at what equipment they have, find out what they do in house and experience they have. You may be surprised.
Rod.


I run a CMS Stage 3 head and have had plenty of work done there. I can say that I have had no issues with the workmanship or the support from CMS.

They have plenty of vehicles with their head packages running around with great results. I have known Joe and his crew for many years and not only have I found them helpful at every turn, I am proud to call them friends.
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 Post subject: Re: Head and Cam Packages
Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 7:33 pm 
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Sorry i am not trying to put cms down. I have respect for Joe and his work but i feel i just got ripped off. It was the first time i ever delt with cms and i feel that way.

 

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