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 Post subject: Re: Lifter replacement on Au Falcon howto with (lots of)pictures
Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2010 7:47 am 
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now a sticky thread....
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 Post subject: Re: Lifter replacement on Au Falcon howto with (lots of)pictures
Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2010 9:04 am 
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On that note I fixed up the loosen/tighten order and added the tightening torque for the rocker cover bolts ;->
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 Post subject: Re: Lifter replacement on Au Falcon howto with (lots of)pictures
Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2010 8:03 pm 
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This thread has been a massive help. Just did my lifters over the weekend; couldn't have managed without this guide as a reference!

 

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 Post subject: Re: Lifter replacement on Au Falcon howto with (lots of)pictures
Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 2:25 pm 
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Just a tip to add to your post....

Before you install the new valve lifters, soak them in oil.

And make sure they are in the right way or they'll tick

 

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 Post subject: Re: Lifter replacement on Au Falcon howto with (lots of)pictures
Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 2:44 pm 
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I didn't bother soaking them, I just put a shot of oil in the top of the engine and all the ticking went away in < 10 seconds.
the lifters have to go in with the "wobbly" bit down or its not going to work at all, whats important is the shims have to go in the right way too.
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 Post subject: Re: Lifter replacement on Au Falcon howto with (lots of)pictures
Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 10:50 pm 
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I didn't bother soaking them, I just put a shot of oil in the top of the engine and all the ticking went away in < 10 seconds.
the lifters have to go in with the "wobbly" bit down or its not going to work at all, whats important is the shims have to go in the right way too.


Yeah I suppose you can do that, it works obviously as you have done it.

That's just me though I like to pay alot of attention to detail, to make sure I don't have to do things twice :P

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 Post subject: Re: Lifter replacement on Au Falcon howto with (lots of)pictures
Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 12:40 pm 
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I just replaced all 12 lifters with new ones (had to add another shim in each cos of cam) but there is still i think one that is still noisy as F**K. I soaked them all in oil to begin with and the shims are in the right way with the blade at the top and the three holes on the lifter side.. Ive had the damn things out of the car so many times this week im sick of it what am i doing wrong??

 

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 Post subject: Re: Lifter replacement on Au Falcon howto with (lots of)pictures
Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 1:37 pm 
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how long are you running it for???

ive fitted new lifters that were noisy after instalation for about 100km of normal driving before they quietened down.. on other cases ive fitted lifters that were quiet after 10 mins...

did you change your oil when you fitted the new lifters??
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 Post subject: Re: Lifter replacement on Au Falcon howto with (lots of)pictures
Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 2:47 pm 
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if your certain that all the crap was cleaned out of the rocker arm hole (broken old retainers) and that the top shim clipped into the rocker arm properly, and you have oil pressure along with new oil, then id say one of the lifters are a dud

i think you mentioned in another thread the mechanic done the job originally?...... are you sure he didnt drop one into the oil gallery, and quietly re-used an old lifter so you wouldnt know any different?

run the car for a few minutes to build pressure in all the lifters and turn car off, then pull the rocker cover off, and bang your fist on top of each rocker arm........ if any of them have movement & tick then the lifter is fooked & not holding pressure

in my old EF it took me 10 secs to work out which lifter was causing the tick with that method
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 Post subject: Re: Lifter replacement on Au Falcon howto with (lots of)pictures
Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 4:23 pm 
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Check its not a leak in an exhaust manifold or something like that, they can make a ticking noise I have been lead to believe.

When you first start the car you should get ticking for a few seconds as the lifters that were compressed while the engine was off fill with oil.

I am getting a similar but different noise after that, which I am presuming is an exhaust issue.
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 Post subject: Re: Lifter replacement on Au Falcon howto with (lots of)pictures
Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 4:38 pm 
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TROYMAN wrote:
how long are you running it for???

ive fitted new lifters that were noisy after instalation for about 100km of normal driving before they quietened down.. on other cases ive fitted lifters that were quiet after 10 mins...

did you change your oil when you fitted the new lifters??


Its got new oil Castrol GTX3 15W-40 cars done about 200km but i suppose the lifters have been out about 4 times through then. its got low oil pressure which i thought was probably the lifters causing it somehow because i had no lifter noise before, and the noise is definatly worse when hot and louder at 2000RPM, it sounds like it goes from one lifter to all of them. ( but may be just tbecause its at higher RPM)

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if your certain that all the crap was cleaned out of the rocker arm hole (broken old retainers) and that the top shim clipped into the rocker arm properly, and you have oil pressure along with new oil, then id say one of the lifters are a dud

i think you mentioned in another thread the mechanic done the job originally?...... are you sure he didnt drop one into the oil gallery, and quietly re-used an old lifter so you wouldnt know any different?

run the car for a few minutes to build pressure in all the lifters and turn car off, then pull the rocker cover off, and bang your fist on top of each rocker arm........ if any of them have movement & tick then the lifter is fooked & not holding pressure

in my old EF it took me 10 secs to work out which lifter was causing the tick with that method


Yeah i didnt wanna take up the wade cams thread with my lifter problems. Im 100% certain there is no crap in there whatsoever ive had them out that many times and looked and cleaned. they are pretty good where i took it and the lifters look identical to when i bought them

Again though i have low oil pressure which i thought was the lifters causing it. But maybe something else... wouldnt be a clogged filter they have a bypass dont they? be a bit strange for the oil pump to let go right when we had the engine apart. The lifters are also holding oil when i pullled them out of the car today they were rock solid. Ill try banging on the rocker arms and see if i find anything.

 

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 Post subject: Re: Lifter replacement on Au Falcon howto with (lots of)pictures
Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 4:55 pm 
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low oil pressure wont help the situation, lifters wont cause low oil pressure, worn bearings or oil pump will..
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 Post subject: Re: Lifter replacement on Au Falcon howto with (lots of)pictures
Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 2:36 am 
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Ive moved my question to a new thread to avoid hijacking this one:

http://www.fordmods.com/ford-4l-and-6-cylinder-f1/ef-valvetrain-noise-after-977b-install-and-au-head-gasket-t98552.html

 

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 Post subject: Re: Lifter replacement on Au Falcon howto with (lots of)pictures
Posted: Fri Dec 24, 2010 9:31 pm 
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I just did this to my Magna, it took a bit longer than this mainly because i had 24 in total 12 in each bank.

I replaced all 12 in the rear bank with brand new ones for $8.40 each. As for the front i cleaned them all out in diesel pumped them to fill them with diesel aswell, and then inserted them back in the motor. Also i have found if you dont clean the rocker shafts out aswell you are likely to get more tapping noise due to the oil feeders in the rocker shaft getting blocked.

I made a doco over on a Mitsubishi forum so if anyone would like to look at it.

http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showt ... hp?t=84894

 

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 Post subject: Re: Lifter replacement on Au Falcon howto with (lots of)pictures
Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 9:53 pm 
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You can use a magnet to pull the lifters/shims out also.

My advice is to put a rag in each of the four oil galleries - this way if any of the lifters/shims fall out you can just pick them up with a magnet. Has saved me numerous times especially if the motor has a reground cam (and hence an extra shim)
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