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 Post subject: Need some info EF EL
Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 11:42 pm 
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Ok heres my thing

I have an EL gli wagon with a tired engine and a pretty much dead auto, it still drives but just

I have also got an EF Fairmont Ghia with a really good engine and auto trans but car is smashed

What i want to know is, can i put the engine and trans from the EF into my EL, i know i need to fit a dizzy to the EF engine (or do i ??)

Will i need an XR6 dizzy and ECU to make it run right

Is the trans control going to be different and if so can i swat it over

Thoughts please
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 Post subject: Re: Need some info EF EL
Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 12:03 am 
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you are right you will need to swap over the dizzy. you will also have to remove the crank angle sensor from the ef motor and replace the harmonic balancer with your EL one.
I am pretty sure using your ecu should be okay, you will just miss out on some of the performance due to different mapping. A J3 chip would probably fix that if it really bothered you.
Also, i would change the inlet manifolds over as the el has a single wiring plug attached to it and the EF has two loose plugs.

 

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 Post subject: Re: Need some info EF EL
Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 12:07 am 
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could i use an EL fairmont ECU

whats the go with the J3 chip?
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 Post subject: Re: Need some info EF EL
Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 12:15 am 
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before you put the ef motor in take out the aux shaft (Shaft Dizzy or Crank Angle Sensor Runs Off) and put the aux shaft out of the el motor in it. do this because it is a common problem when you put a dizzy into an EF or AU motor, they are highly likely to break

 

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 Post subject: Re: Need some info EF EL
Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 10:51 am 
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could i fit a 6djc ecu to the GLI
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 Post subject: Re: Need some info EF EL
Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 11:05 am 
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just had a look at the ecu catch codes and its a EL Fairmont Ghia with Tickford motor and Auto, there also was fairmont ghia ones with 6DJA and 6DJB

 

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 Post subject: Re: Need some info EF EL
Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 11:57 am 
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So will it work ?
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 Post subject: Re: Need some info EF EL
Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 12:29 pm 
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EF and EL ecu`s are different. The Tickford EL 6DJB should work fine with the Fairmont ghia motor as that was what it was designed for. You just need to ditch the coil pack and fit the dizzy and it should be fine.
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 Post subject: Re: Need some info EF EL
Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 3:55 pm 
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are the ECU matched with the diff ratio as well?

Have been looking at the catch codes and most xr6-ghia ecu's are for 3.45 though there is one to suit a xr6/ghia with 3.23 gears and thats the 6TEE


would it be wise to run the 6TEE ecu thats listed for the 3.23 gears ?

http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:QH ... clnk&gl=au
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Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 6:18 pm 
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jerrytorry wrote:
before you put the ef motor in take out the aux shaft (Shaft Dizzy or Crank Angle Sensor Runs Off) and put the aux shaft out of the el motor in it. do this because it is a common problem when you put a dizzy into an EF or AU motor, they are highly likely to break


I have seen people say this before but for the life of me I cannot understand why. Firstly they are ALL the same Aux shaft from EA to AU and changing one OLD and tired Aux shaft for another OLD and tired Aux shaft seems counter productive to me and expensive.

The lower part of the inlet manifold is the same EF/EL, just a change to the top half. The Throttle body is the same EF/EL. I thought that EF and EL had Crank sensor fitted?
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Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 6:44 pm 
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Papa Smurf wrote:
jerrytorry wrote:
before you put the ef motor in take out the aux shaft (Shaft Dizzy or Crank Angle Sensor Runs Off) and put the aux shaft out of the el motor in it. do this because it is a common problem when you put a dizzy into an EF or AU motor, they are highly likely to break


I have seen people say this before but for the life of me I cannot understand why. Firstly they are ALL the same Aux shaft from EA to AU and changing one OLD and tired Aux shaft for another OLD and tired Aux shaft seems counter productive to me and expensive.

The lower part of the inlet manifold is the same EF/EL, just a change to the top half. The Throttle body is the same EF/EL. I thought that EF and EL had Crank sensor fitted?



whats different about the top half of the inlet? i cant spot anything!!

EL had a dizzy EF has a crank trigger on the timing case
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 Post subject: Re: Need some info EF EL
Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 9:37 pm 
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jerrytorry wrote:
before you put the ef motor in take out the aux shaft (Shaft Dizzy or Crank Angle Sensor Runs Off) and put the aux shaft out of the el motor in it. do this because it is a common problem when you put a dizzy into an EF or AU motor, they are highly likely to break


You don't need to change the Aux Shaft, just remove the gear from the Crank angle sensor off the EF and fit to your dizzy from the EL, just means that they will be matched and cause you less issues later on.
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