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| rooseEL |
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hi, just wondering how much of a difference a wade 1636 cam and some pacie 4499's would make to my low-mid range and before you flame me yes i have used the search function, i ask this because i do a fair bit of towing for work and i live in a hilly area i just want it to be a bit easier for the hills especially when your towing 1500kgs ski boats out to the dam up and down hills and towing bike trailers etc and if possible how much more fuel econmy have you guys noticed if any? oh btw my car is an el futura auto with the std 3.08 diff
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| GeZza200 |
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it will help but id get different diff gears if you want it to tow easier aswell. 3.45 - 3.9s gears
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| tickford_6 |
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Posts: 6449 Joined: 11th Nov 2004 |
Spend the money on 3.45: diff gears, that will help towing more then a cam change will.
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Diff gears done professionally wont be cheap.
Secondhand extractors and 2.5 exhaust = $300-400 for both. Biger intake snorkel from ford and a k&n filter = $150 Also BA upper intake pipe, that runs left to right across the top of the engine, is the most restrictive. See www.autospeed.com search "falcon" and "air intake". = $40? Theres 20-30 odd kw's. Problem solved  $450-$550
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Posts: 69 Joined: 27th Dec 2006 Ride: EF Wagon Location: Canberra - not as bad as you think |
I'd keep the stock cam if you're towing. I have a Wade 1636 and lost a bit of torque below 1500rpm, not noticable in normal driving, but very noticable with a trailer on the back.
I agree with GASMAN on the suggested mods. If you can pick up a complete 3.45 diff from a fairmont ghia or xr6, along with the appropriate speedo transducer gear, that might be a cheap way to improve your acceleration for say $300. Mild head porting would be one way of improving your bottom end, but not cheap unless you can DIY.
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Age: 34 Posts: 3379 Joined: 11th Mar 2008 Ride: EA SVO, AU2, Toyota Crown Location: Bendigo |
i used a 1636 withh 113 lobe seperation i think it is. made for low down torque in a auto Falcon. picked up alot down low. with standard 3.23 diff
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go for the 1636, 4499's and 3.45 lsd. very nice to tow with.
my brother inlaws ed was more fuel efficient too with these mods, used around 3 litres less per 100km's.. |
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| -GAS-MAN- |
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I agree with the fuel savings above, the diff will be expensive though
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| Troy |
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isn't there a smaller cam better for towing? i'd be talking to wade...agree on the gears, would help heaps.
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| rooseEL |
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thanks for all the help guys diff gears will be a bit of a problem as the closet place that could do it is wagga and iirc you cant put any other gears into a 3:08 housing is this true? oh and i already have a 2.5" cat back and i have adavanced the timing and run it on premium which has made a difference, i could diy the extractors and cam my self at work i just thought it might help a bit and i say fuel econ too because now i travel to wagga and back every week for tafe 100ks each way and kinda need my car most of the day so again diff gears willl most likely not happen well for a while at least
 and 1 last question to pick your brains with, people say the 1636 dies out at about 4200-4500rpm is this that the extra power you get goes back to stock for another 1000revs or does it completly stop making any power at all and stops pulling what so ever? thankyou for your time again and being on apprentice wages makes these things difficult at times lol
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Posts: 69 Joined: 27th Dec 2006 Ride: EF Wagon Location: Canberra - not as bad as you think |
With my 1636, it seems like I have more power than the stock cam, even above 4,500rpm. It is a lot more willing to rev to the redline since installing the 1636 cam.
The extra power is really noticable when overtaking on country roads.
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