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 Post subject: Re: BA ICC - some developments
Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2014 12:27 am 
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Lukeyson you still around?

I have an ICC with the colour screen and want to fit a monochrome screen due to the new position of the screen it has a poor viewing angle and appears dark and hard to read...

Do you think this is a simple swap of the screen, the LCD controller board, or something more?

If I could change the colours or something of the numbers from black to white that would work too... Just not sure what the best option is...

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Drive with the parkers on. That changes the ICC to night mode colour scheme. See how that works for you. If it does there's probably an easy way to trick the ICC into believing the lights are always on.

Otherwise I think you're in trouble. none of the mono ICCs have the same features as the colour one, so if you were to change the screen (if it's reasonably possible), you'd loose functionality.


Hey man... Didn't know you were still around!

You're right... Night mode is better and it is my halfway point... I can probably illumination in and power in and use a diode so the lcd is in night mode always without bringing everything else in... It's better but still looses any info that is black or grey due to low contract (title of which trip computer menu you're in for example)...

Large monochrome screens seem to have the same info in a different layout... They would have better contrast I'd think...

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Not sure if this lcd will plug into the board that drives the colour lcd? Seems too simple... Probably is... Not sure if the monochrome lcd board is a straight swap for the colour unit...

Don't really wanna buy a monochrome icc only to find out that it's useless...

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 Post subject: Re: BA ICC - some developments
Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2014 12:29 am 
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yeah I'm still around.

Try a anti-glare/reflection LCD screen film ???

 

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 Post subject: Re: BA ICC - some developments
Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2014 4:34 pm 
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Yeah can try I guess... Don't know if it will work but because it's the way the top membrane is polarised that is the problem...

Will keep looking into it anyway...

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TimmyA wrote:
Yeah can try I guess... Don't know if it will work but because it's the way the top membrane is polarised that is the problem...

Will keep looking into it anyway...

Cheers,
Tim


You may be looking for something like this but you'll have to do your own research dude -

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Tv160-fu ... 60932.html

 

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TimmyA wrote:
Yeah can try I guess... Don't know if it will work but because it's the way the top membrane is polarised that is the problem...

Will keep looking into it anyway...

Cheers,
Tim



I know a guy that has a full sized BW premium sound dual zone ICC for sale reasonably cheap.

Is your car dual zone?
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Yeah dual zone... What's it worth?

Do you know if a black and white screen will work on a colour screen pcb behind the screen?

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What I really need, how good do you know this guy?

Could you take the four screws out of the screen and get some photos of it for me? They look to vary heaps because their mounted in a plastic box like the low spec screen... If the screen is mounted to the pcb and not to a frame it may be really hard to mount due to space limitations...

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TimmyA wrote:
Yeah dual zone... What's it worth?

Do you know if a black and white screen will work on a colour screen pcb behind the screen?

Cheers,
Tim


I'd say with 99% certainty it would not.

the physical and logical interface between what is a dot matrix full colour screen and one of a fixed graphic monochrome screen is going to be entirely different.

I'd be like plugging your phone charger into a fire hydrant.
(i.e completely different).


Why owuld you consider changing just the screen. change the whole ICC over. change the facia/bezel if you want to keep the same interior colour.

 

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data_mine wrote:
TimmyA wrote:
Yeah dual zone... What's it worth?

Do you know if a black and white screen will work on a colour screen pcb behind the screen?

Cheers,
Tim


I'd say with 99% certainty it would not.

the physical and logical interface between what is a dot matrix full colour screen and one of a fixed graphic monochrome screen is going to be entirely different.

I'd be like plugging your phone charger into a fire hydrant.
(i.e completely different).


Why owuld you consider changing just the screen. change the whole ICC over. change the facia/bezel if you want to keep the same interior colour.



I know the guy very well so I'll take a look.

However I'm 99.999999% positive that Data_mine is correct and the BW one is not even remotely compatible with the color screen. the block plugs are completely different first of all. (you are not the first to consider this) Also the BW full size screen is more like an old school LCS screen that has the capability to display 8888 and the controller just lights up the segments it needs to form numbers. The full size BW LCD works the same way.. all of the options are kind of hard coded into the screen. Where as the colour unit can display anything the input signal could put into it.

I think he wanted 100 for it.. but I'd have to ask, it's dual zone premium sound unit. (6 disk stacker)... if you know anyone with a mongoose cable or VCM, one recode and you'd be good to go with the BW one. (the BW ICC also is completely missing the NAV input plug under it because the screen can't display a map anyway)

I wish Lukeyson hard spoken more about the video output from the screen as I'd really have loved that. (replacing the low res colour POS for a 7 inch 800x480 touchscreen would be awesome.)


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I wish Lukeyson hard spoken more about the video output from the screen as I'd really have loved that. (replacing the low res colour POS for a 7 inch 800x480 touchscreen would be awesome.)


regards

Frank



That LVDS -> VGA converter linked above (IF the colour ICC outputs LVDS signal, it probably does, but I'm not sure), would then allow you to run any VGA screen off of the ICC's PCB.

Alternatively if it IS LVDS, you could porbably just pull apart another screen and hook it's LVDS connector up. LVDS is kind of the standard for LCD panels.

Be interesting to see if that were the case.

 

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I've done some research, the colour screen LCD board, has a Fujitsu text controller, Sharp twin input RGB controller.

And the board provides solder points for the RGB output signal. So you should be able to hook up a VGA screen directly to the board easy as.

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big square chip in the middle I can't identify, probably means it's custom to sumitomo (who produce the ICCs for Ford).

Big rectangle one in the middle is the Futitsu MB90096* text overlay controller
Small square chip to the bottom right, is the Sharp IR3Y26A* dual RGB controller.
Far bottom right around the edge are 5 solder pads (test points) for the RGB output ROUT, BOUT, GOUT.


*datasheets for these two are easy to find online.

 

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view the pic in a new window. fordmods cuts it too small.

 

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Wow!

You go away and tinker for a couple of hours and you guys come up with all this!

I'll be the first to admit that I know near nothing when it comes to driving LCD's and segment displays... But I know basically electronics and components well... So I do appreciate the help you guys have given...

Here is the task at hand data_mine

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And in that location that screen is near invisible from the drivers and passengers head position...

So the larger segement display, wont plug into the stacker green plug either? That is to say the boards in the stacker are screen dependant too? Maybe mounting the B&W screen wouldn't be so bad... Plastic box, I can cut the tabs off that stick out because the centre space narrows and then weld them on where I added the points to the bottom facia to allow proper mounting... Essentially same as I did with the steel box...

So if I can replace it with a generic LCD, what the odds of finding something that will near mount exactly like the original... Or an RGB screen is going to have a circuit board too and it's just not a direct fitment? When looking for something how do you ensure you don't run into the same polarisation problem whereby you cannot see the screen?

You guys may be able to look at this and see the best solution?

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WIth what you've got. I'd be trying to get the ICC image to appear on your new screen. it can be switched on/off (like it would be with the factory sat nav).

What video type does your new screen take?

 

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